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StarManager Inner circle Maui, Hawaii 1012 Posts 
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On Sep 9, 2017, SleepyMagic wrote: Sleepy - Thank you! This is my issue in a nutshell. Changing thread on Mesika pen or tarantula 2 is 10 seconds because of his spools. Preloaded and ready to go with wax right on them. When working I do not have an extra 2-3 min with a mag glass and white paper and good light. Often I need to reset by touch in my outer coat pocket to move on. I hope the IT is really strong in Venom because breaks are not fun!
"I'm a professional magician and once in a while I even work." Jonathan Todd Excelsior (StarManager)
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SleepyMagic Inner circle Hopefully I'll pass my exams with 1646 Posts
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On Sep 9, 2017, StarManager wrote: The IT is strong in VENOM but then also less invisible. It's basically stage thread...this is my issue right now... If I should replace the VENOM thread for something like vectra close up. I would then may not be able to do some of the effects on the download as they require fairly strong thread. I might just replace it to see how it is then if need be will replace it back with the VENOM IT. Sleepy |
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RayLogan New user 84 Posts
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On Sep 9, 2017, StarManager wrote: While this is true you won't be able to do the effects possible with the two Venoms... |
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StarManager Inner circle Maui, Hawaii 1012 Posts
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Understood. Sleepy and thank you. I expect to be using them for different things. Venom is way more naturally traditional as a reel. The Medsika stuff brings a different element with tension and reel. Two different things, agreed.
"I'm a professional magician and once in a while I even work." Jonathan Todd Excelsior (StarManager)
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niva Inner circle Malta (Europe) 2970 Posts
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Now I am starting to see the potential of the Mesika spools. Before it used to take ages to find the ends again.
Yours,
Ivan |
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SleepyMagic Inner circle Hopefully I'll pass my exams with 1646 Posts
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It's really easy to find the ends with this itr...I haven't had a single problem.
Sleepy |
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ArtIn Inner circle 1702 Posts
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Just had one big problem so far and lost nearly a quarter of IT because it angled up below the spool.
The small ball bearing shifted and caused a wobbly movement of the spool. I was able to push it back in place but lost a lit of IT. The ITR allows for a mechanically easy and neat repair. But I also feel that this is needed at the beginning. |
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Carderrez Regular user Arlington, Texas 188 Posts
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I should be getting my Venom in another day or so. I definitely will not be using it for stage. Intimate parlor work at best. I am thinking about getting some stripped Kevlar to replace the IT that comes with the Venom. It looks like its about $20 to get two 50 foot stripped spools with shipping. I have seen the training the video one time and I believe they mention needing to change out the elastic for a thinner thread. Any thoughts on this?
I am just getting started with IT and am learning very quickly it's not enormously costly to learn, but it's not cheap either, but I've caught the bug. I think I am a getting close to $400 so far (DVDs, extra reels, loops, better loops, Legacy IT to make my own, wax, and better wax, T2, etc.) That's getting into the price range of some of the Illusion Works effects I've been wanting for ages, but I believe it will be worth it when all is said and done. In my minds eye, I am not thinking so much of focusing on the levitation or ghostly aspects, but more as flourishes with a prop at the end of a routine. Something more along the lines of "What? that's where it goes when the trick is done" sort of thing. For the exception maybe of the haunted pack and even then deemphasize it, as "Don't worry, this is perfectly normal. I'm a magician." |
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SleepyMagic Inner circle Hopefully I'll pass my exams with 1646 Posts
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On Sep 10, 2017, Carderrez wrote: If.you are using a thinner thr*** then you need a less resistant elastic which is provided with the venom Sleepy |
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RayLogan New user 84 Posts
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On Sep 10, 2017, Carderrez wrote: Just remember you need strong IT to do the effects as shown. Arthur who demonstrated the effects says he uses it as it comes. If you're new to IT and change it out to a thinner IT you will be breaking a lot of it if you plan on doing the effects he shows. He never says you "need" to change the IT to thinner, just that you can if you wish, it's an option but you will have issues to do the effects and it is not elastic as you mentioned. I would personally get comfortable with the thicker IT first and then experiment. My 2c. |
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Ou_Tis New user 7 Posts
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On Sep 4, 2017, SleepyMagic wrote: Actually, having performed the time stop a bunch of times now within a couple feet of spectators (with Vectra X2 Stage Thread)... they guess it's magnetism. Which I find hilarious. When you drop it, it's basically just your index finger over it---and your index finger doesn't make any motion to drop the thread for the ring to fall after the stop. The way it stops also just doesn't look like something that could be achieved by dangling it from a thread so that it stops at the end---because that's not what's happening. You can also let the spectators examine your hands and the ring right afterwards. If it's a light enough ring you can also make it jump back up to your finger. Personally I'm ambivalent about the effect but it has been getting great reactions. |
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StarManager Inner circle Maui, Hawaii 1012 Posts
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On Sep 10, 2017, Ou_Tis wrote: Actually, having performed the time stop a bunch of times now within a couple feet of spectators (with Vectra X2 Stage Thread)... they guess it's magnetism. Which I find hilarious. Thank you for your note. Is the Vector X2 Stage Thread included with the Venom? If not is it more or less visible than what is packaged with Venom? Thank You!
"I'm a professional magician and once in a while I even work." Jonathan Todd Excelsior (StarManager)
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Ceierry Inner circle Europe 1582 Posts
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On Sep 11, 2017, StarManager wrote: I believe it's not the Vectra X2 Stage Thread, this one is very strong but very visible (I mean... you need the right light situations) but you can find the differences on the emagic supply website. Which I believe I will order some Vectra Thread soon. (The standart one)
Author of 10S Star Sign Divination - olivier.ceierry@gmail.com for a digital copy.
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Ou_Tis New user 7 Posts
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On Sep 11, 2017, StarManager wrote: It's not. Looked at them side by side just now and their visibility seems pretty similar. I only switched to Vectra X2 because my initial experiments led to the thread they provided breaking repeatedly (catching on objects, breaking against weights that were too heavy) and I made the mistake of wasting a lot of thread, not realizing how little they provide... so I was left with too little thread to do the effects as in the video. Initially I bought the Vectra Line thread based on recommendations here, but it seems very difficult to separate out long enough strands of thread. The Vectra X2 doesn't need to be separated. (It still took me a long time to wind enough thread onto the ITR's.) |
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RayLogan New user 84 Posts
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Wow, finally arrived today, yippee! The quality of the reel is beautiful, so very smooth as well. Now it's play time... I did get some Vectra IT in a thread bullet (so I don't have to strip it) in case I should break a lot of Venom IT and run out
 ellusionist doesn't carry the kit for Venom the Magie Factory offers and it seems the MF doesn't ship to the US as they told me to go through ellusionist. There's a paradox - so I guess I may have to make friends with someone in France to possible get one.
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SleepyMagic Inner circle Hopefully I'll pass my exams with 1646 Posts
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I also ordered some vectra IT and I will let you know how it goes tomorrow when I receive it and put it into the ITR's
Sleepy |
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RayLogan New user 84 Posts
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[quote]On Sep 11, 2017, Ou_Tis wrote:
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On Sep 11, 2017, StarManager wrote: It's not. Looked at them side by side just now and their visibility seems pretty similar. I only switched to Vectra X2 because my initial experiments led to the thread they provided breaking repeatedly (catching on objects, breaking against weights that were too heavy) and I made the mistake of wasting a lot of thread, not realizing how little they provide... so I was left with too little thread to do the effects as in the video. Initially I bought the Vectra Line thread based on recommendations here, but it seems very difficult to separate out long enough strands of thread. The Vectra X2 doesn't need to be separated. (It still took me a long time to wind enough thread onto the ITR's.) [/quote The thread bullets by Fearson come with pre-stripped Vectra, 40 ft of it, and offer two other kinds of IT if you so desire but the Vectra would be the strongest. |
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RayLogan New user 84 Posts
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What is sad is I found a China magic site is selling the Venom download for $3.99. I spent my $159.00 plus for Venom with gimmicks but they are selling the download for just $4. What is with that?
 This is not right... I paid my share and yet others can steal it, how do they get away with that? ellusionist might want to tighten up their downloads and distribution.
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Carderrez Regular user Arlington, Texas 188 Posts
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I have been following the IT spark ever since the T2 / Venom chatter started preordering both, and then of course realizing afterwards they both require refills and additional supplies and on top of that finally tried out loops and got lucky and found a good deal on the Guerilla Guide to Loops DVD set. Then in my pursuit of making sure I have enough of everything I need to train and determine what works best for me. I looked into the Vectra Line and found The Master Levitation system by Steve Fearson and just finished watching it.
Wow did it make me feel like a greenhorn. It seems many of performance aspects of both T2 and Venom are found in this tutorial. I would go so far as to say I think I just learned how to make a poor man's Venom. I kept reading and hearing about the Fearson hookup - (good thing its not Christmas, I'd be the bulb that got bumped.) As a beginner in ITR and having watched both the T2 and Venom training videos. This was my favorite of the three. Now I feel I have a true sense of what I need to consider adding IT work to my act. Before I forget I want thank everyone who commented on my question earlier. It was very helpful advice. |
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Carderrez Regular user Arlington, Texas 188 Posts
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On Sep 11, 2017, RayLogan wrote: That is pretty jacked up. It is intellectual property theft pure and simple. |
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