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paul180
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Patrick Kuff's Danger Monty. I've always liked the organic look of the props and how innocent and fair it all seems.
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Kuff's routine is Scott Alexander's Shattered repackaged and sold as his own.
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Didn't know that Samuel. Did he get permission from Scott or no?
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No, he did not.

Oddly enough though, it was his dvd that served as my inspiration. In my research for my own Pincushion I learned the truth of the origins of the routine came from Scott's brain and not Patrick's.
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That's good to know. Thank you. Would you be willing to talk shop about the effect in PM?
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I'll go with Scott Alexander's Shattered.

The props are more visible on stage...much more so than a nail or spike.... so it plays bigger, in my opinion. 100% safe, and there are some "convincers" built into the routine that really do a great job of selling it.

I did this as my second-to-closing trick for a show I did this past Thursday night for 125 McDonald's owners and managers, and the tension and expression on their faces as I progressed through the routine was very, very impressive. Add to that the "Oh My God's" and "I can't believe this" from the audience along with a ROUSING round of applause at the final reveal made this one a "keeper".

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I see in the Café post about using soda so I now buy turn table and Paul Harris DVD. I think it can be very funny and safe. I will ware a rain poncho and goggles when I do.
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On Jul 8, 2017, WitchDocChris wrote:
Scott Alexander's Nailed It! is 100% safe. The Pain Game (Sorry, name of the creator slips my mind) is 99% safe.

And if you replace a spike with something that has no potential for injury, they are all 100% safe. An egg, for example.


If it is 99% safe that means if you perform it 100 times, one if those times will result in an injury
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On Jul 8, 2017, WitchDocChris wrote:
No need to ask the same question all over the forums. As I said in your other thread - go to the store and look around. You'll find what you need.

Scott Alexander's Nailed It! is 100% safe. The Pain Game (Sorry, name of the creator slips my mind) is 99% safe.

And if you replace a spike with something that has no potential for injury, they are all 100% safe. An egg, for example.


If it is 99% safe that means if you perform it 100 times, one if those times will result in an injury



Here's what I can tell you about The Pain Game, provided you aren't completely foolish and use it improperly, the method is completely safe. There's literally a less than 1% chance it can go wrong. less than 1%. Using the gimmicks I created back in 2002, the chances are even less and I would call astronomical (like 1 in 1,000,000), but Jon's version has a little bit more chance of something to happen if you do something stupid so the chances of getting hurt are maybe 1 in 300,000. It's safe. It's a LOT safer than Smash and Stab and other versions that are out there. But like you said, if you replace the spike with something non-dangerous like an egg, then you are guaranteed safe from everything but salmonella. LOL
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Hi everyone... Mine's called Slamdown. On my promo video, at www.jimmyfingers.com and at www.jimmyfingers.com/products

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Ack! I keep calling is Smashdown. Sorry about that. Anyway, it's an excellent routine, inexpensive and easy. I especially like that it's flexible. You can use any object under the cups you like.
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On one of Derren Brown's DVD he uses an audience member. Preceding the effect he shows videos of performers SPIKED; Ouch!!!
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The phrase "there is less than 1% chance it can go wrong" makes me nervous to perform 100 times.
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On Dec 4, 2017, Lancy wrote:
The phrase "there is less than 1% chance it can go wrong" makes me nervous to perform 100 times.


That line is usually added because you can never account for stupidity. My Pincushion routine is safe. When I perform it I give it a 100% safe stamp, but that is because I control every aspect that would possibly make it unsafe. I cannot control how others perform it, therefore I cannot positively guarantee that someone else will not do something incredibly stupid. Given that I would not call it 100% safe, but would say instead that there is a less than 1% chance of anything going wrong if I were to put it into the market. A finger chopper is safe as well, but what if you don't perform it properly? A solidly made one COULD result in injury. The same can be said about the guillotine style Head Choppers too.

I understand your nervousness, and that nervousness is a healthy thing believe it or not, but most times it is not a failing of the method that results in injuries, but a failing of the performer. One last thing, no performer worth anything would ever endanger an audience member not even when they are not actually in danger.
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I think Scott Alexander has an updated version Shattered called Nailed It. It was performed and not explain at one of the penguin Christmas lectures. It is 100% safe as well.
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I like Jon Allen's Pain Game.
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The question to ask for safety is.... Is there an actual danger in play in any way during the selection process. And, could a person, who was so minded, choose to hurt themselves during the selection process in the routine by 'impaling' themselves?. If the answer is yes then to my mind it's not totally safe.

Jon's Pain Game has the danger in play and present but it is disabled...Once disabled it is not possible, should one be so minded, to impale oneself. However in my opinion that makes it less safe than if there is no danger in play, disabled or not, at all. I read of someone forgetting to reset this properly for their second show. They left the danger from the first show unsuspectingly hidden within the set up. Fortunately they realised before the show started. But it's this kind of error that leads to injury.

Scott's Shattered has no danger in play during the selection process. However it involves breaking glass bottles with a hammer as part of the set up. Again I read somewhere of someone who had a shard of the broken glass finding its way into the 'equipment' that is used during the selection process. You have to check for this before you complete your set up and go into the selection process. Failure to do so could potentially result is injury.

Randi Rain's Sterile T3 has no danger in play during the selection process. Neither does Scott's Nailed it.

For me these are the only versions of this theme of effect that have a truly safe selection procedure. I've owned them both and if anyone feels the need to do this sort of effect I would recommend them both over any other product..
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Like I said I would recommend Pain Game as it is safe.. Your comments are very thought provoking and I thank you for them.
You talk about safety which is very close to my heart.
Firstly, regarding safety, I would identify any hazards. ( Sharp nail)
Then I would identify the likelihood of harm and its severity ( Quite high as nail is sticking up towards where your hand will be in a minute)
Then I would identify actions required to eliminate the hazard or control the risk. In this case elimination is the preferred option so it is safe to continue 100% safely.
We do these things every day, in every aspect of our lives.
If someone is unsure about performing ANY magic trick, then I would certainly recommend they do NOT perform it.
It is my favourite smash and stab though, that was the question.
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I should add, that I saw you at the Stars of Magic in Bristol and it was fantastic, as were all the magicians. Many thanks for an amazing show.
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