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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Abortion is a strange case. It is considered murder by some so it directly is against a commandment.
Pick another conservative cause. War. Should they speak out against it? No. Unions? No. Child prostitution? They should speak out. In general they should be speaking out and paying taxes.
Danny Doyle
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Why philosophise, when it is only the action that really matters.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On Jul 15, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote: That seems a very inconsistent position, tilted to issues that concern you. But the Pope is saying, no, here's an issue that is being ignored that is "one of the greatest sins." Hard to argue that he doesn't think it is a theological matter like abortion if it is one of the greatest sins. I have to say though that I'm surprised you think the Pope should not speak out against war. I'm not up on Catholic religious teachings, but it certainly seems that a lot of the wars in the world at present don't fall under its Just War doctrine. If the Pope thought they were not Just, wouldn't it be his duty to say so? Or, on the other hand, to say so if he thought a war was Just? I recall a number of high profile US Cardinals publicly backing the Vietnam War in the 60s. Anyway, these questions are clearly difficult as to where to draw the line. But I do think it's awfully odd that I have seen so little coverage of this, no matter what one's position is. Which is not to say that I--or Catholics--have to agree with the Pope. But I don't see how political matters can be separated neatly from theological matters. There's too much of a grey area.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
More to the point, why would matters of faith be separate from matters of living? Surely, "how should I live my life" is one of the most important questions.
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The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
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On Jul 15, 2017, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: Because faith isn't required to live.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
On his way back from the Victory Day Parade in Moscow, the Cuban leader Raul Castro stopped off in Rome to thank Pope Francis for his role in Cuba's rapprochement with the United States. "If the Pope continues this way," Castro said afterwards, "I will go back to praying and go back to the church - I am not joking."
The Pope comes from Argentina and he clearly thinks he is Eva Peron. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEMUsC8ppU0
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Jul 15, 2017, landmark wrote: Oh course it is grey area. Makes it more convinient. Make them pay taxes and they can say whatever they want. Still not sanctioned by the state, but without skin in the game they all need to shut up.
Danny Doyle
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Well if you're taking the position that they should all pay taxes, we're certainly in agreement there. But realistically, I think it's going to be a cold day in hell before the major religions open up their books.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Yes sad.
Danny Doyle
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RNK Inner circle 7491 Posts |
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On Jul 14, 2017, R.S. wrote: Faith and the Bible. But I know that's something you do not believe in which is totally fine (for you). It's not my job to judge you and anybody else's beliefs. Holy is being perfect and sinless. And NO human is sinless including the Pope.
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
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On Jul 19, 2017, RNK wrote: What, if anything, is sinless and perfect?
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0pus Inner circle New Jersey 1739 Posts |
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On Jul 19, 2017, RNK wrote: Doesn't Faith and the Bible teach that Mary was sinless? |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
It also teaches she is dead.
Danny Doyle
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0pus Inner circle New Jersey 1739 Posts |
. . . or so you assume.
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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On Jul 19, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote: I must have missed that part. Where was that? |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On Jul 19, 2017, 0pus wrote: Not quite. For Catholics, there are so-called "Marian doctrines". These are the church's position on Mary. One of these doctrines is "immaculate conception". The idea is that all humans are born with the "stain of original sin"--with a single exception: Mary. She did not live sinlessly; but she was born with a clean slate. Most protestant Christians do not accept this doctrine. I'm not sure about Anglicans or Orthodox.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Jul 19, 2017, rockwall wrote: http://taylormarshall.com/2013/08/did-th......die.html Go ahead now tell me "well that's not the Bible" so you can cling to being right.
Danny Doyle
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0pus Inner circle New Jersey 1739 Posts |
Although there is much to support a case for the death of Mary, there is no definitive Catholic doctrine around it. I believe that Catholics are free to believe that Mary did not die - and that the assumption occurred without her having to have died.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Did you read the link?
Danny Doyle
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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On Jul 19, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote: OK, I'll keep clinging. I never said that she didn't die. I would guess that she almost certainly did. However, I'm pretty sure it's not something taught by the bible which is what your claim was. |
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