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karnak Special user Connecticut 747 Posts |
So new that I don't even have one yet -- just now thinking of purchasing one. Hence, a couple of initial newbie-type questions.
My first question is, does Johnson not make one? Having never looked for one before, I must say I was a bit surprised to visit their website and not see one listed. (They make all the other standard coin gaffs -- exp shell, c/s coin, c/s/b, 2c/1s, sun/moon, cig thru coin, etc. -- so why not flippers?) My second question is, is a gravity flipper the way to go? (Or: any reason *not* to go with a gravity flipper?)
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karnak Special user Connecticut 747 Posts |
Additional online research suggests that evidently Johnson did at one time make a flipper, but no longer seem to offer it on their own website.
Even more surprisingly (to me) is that they likewise no longer seem to offer a folding coin (which they once did). Wonder why they dropped these items?
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MitchC Elite user Can't believe I only have 415 Posts |
Do you have a specific effect or routine in mind for use with the Flipper ?
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karnak Special user Connecticut 747 Posts |
No, not really. It just seems to be an increasingly popular (and increasingly used) utility item. I just picked up Eric Jones's Metal 3 dvd which makes use of it in several routines, and I've also never done any sort of 3 Fly routine (some versions of which also make use of it), hence my recent increasing interest in it, as a new-ish (to me, anyway) generic gaff.
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MitchC Elite user Can't believe I only have 415 Posts |
Reason I asked is that I used to do Joshua Jay's '3 Fly' routine with the Flipper coin as he originally did it. But then he came out with 'Triad Coins' using a different gimmick set and with it you can now show both sides of the coins.
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tonsofquestions Inner circle 1802 Posts |
Johnson used to make them, but I don't know why they don't anymore. Possibly the same reason they don't have the bite coins - maybe some issue with cutting, or the bands. But they come up in the for sale section moderately frequently, so you can probably get one there if you don't mind waiting and keep your eyes open.
The Tango ones are pretty good, and are fine to start out with - I always think it's better to start cheap to see if you like it. The gravity ones are typically more expensive (harder to make), and tend to be less tight in their closing mechanism (thus openable by gravity). This allows for a better flat display, but you could also imagine a routine where you want the firmer closing power. (Less frequent, but possible.) Most people prefer gravity flippers, from what I've seen, but it does depend a little on what you want to do with it. |
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
A gravity flipper is probably more versatile, but there are a couple eye-popping effects that require the original self-closing type.
The main difference between gravity/non-gravity is just the strength of the band (for gravity there are also alternatives to rubber bands) - nothing really in the way they are made. The more expensive flippers which are harder to make are the ones with "internal" bands that allow the insert portion to be shown as having an edge instead of displaying the groove cut for the band. |
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countrymaven Inner circle 1426 Posts |
I am unorthodox. but I have found that even cheap china flippers can be used well with an extra regular coin . I will not tell any more you figure it out.
you don't need a 50 dollar flipper. sorry. if you don't use it in bright daylight and do what I said above, you will be fine. fine. just good to share some reality learned from much experimentation. |
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Mobius303 Inner circle Lakewood, Ohio 1309 Posts |
I utilize both types but for different effects.
I like the Gravity flipper much more than an edge cut flipper. I have been friends with Troy Hooser and he has influenced me greatly in the use of the flipper effects that I perform. It is an awesome gimmick and I recommend his material on it if you want to see smooth, pretty magic. Eric Jones does a great job with it as well. |
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karnak Special user Connecticut 747 Posts |
Oddly enough, the flipper coin is now (suddenly) once again listed on Johnson's website. I'd swear it wasn't when I made my original post a week ago. Maybe items are unlisted temporarily if out of stock, or something.
But still missing from their website is the folding coin they also used to carry. No sign of a karate coin, either. Hopefully both will also return, at some point. Is Johnson's flipper a gravity or non-gravity model?
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whiteoakcanyon Special user 899 Posts |
A few thoughts on the flipper coin I wanted to share. I think the gravity flipper is a good choice due to ease of use. I would encourage you to consider not purchasing one using rubber bands but rather something made using a much more durable elastic thread. You can get these from Mark Mason, Jamie Schoolcraft and others. I prefer having one made with a Standing Liberty rather than a Kennedy half dollar because it is harder to spot where the coin has been altered. It is a wonderful coin gaff which can create amazing magical moments. Good luck with your search.
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Motor City Special user Metro Detroit Area 587 Posts |
IMO a gravity flipper is the best to use. I agree that you should obtain a flipper that does NOT use a rubber band. As whiteoakcanyon said above, you can get these from Mark Mason, Jamie Schoolcraft and others. Tango makes one, as well.
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Jack Skipton Regular user 127 Posts |
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On Aug 25, 2017, Motor City wrote: I'll also suggest avoiding the band. I had a flipper band break at the worst possible moment during a routine for the CEO of the company that had hired me. |
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A Show By Joe Elite user Long Island 405 Posts |
Does anyone know how Joshua Jay's Triad Coins rate compared to using a flipper and shell? I had purchased the flipper (using a rubber band), and shell from Joshua Jay himself, and was looking the another flipper as mine as seen better days. Now I see him selling the Triad Coins.
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MitchC Elite user Can't believe I only have 415 Posts |
Joshua Jay's Triad coins is a MUCH superior gaff set than the flipper gimmick. He used to use the flipper and I did his 3 Fly using that. Then he came out with Triad Coins and it's much better as you can show both sides of coins and better handling all around. Just my (devalued) 2 cents ;-)
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A Show By Joe Elite user Long Island 405 Posts |
Thank you MitchC. I was leaning towards buying them.
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MitchC Elite user Can't believe I only have 415 Posts |
I found a new use for a flipper so I just ordered Roy Kuepper's Pro Gravity Kennedy half
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
As for getting a flipper that does not use a rubber band, there's no reason you can't swap out a rubber band. I wouldn't let that influence my purchase choice. The Mason/Swadling ones have a design feature that makes changing the cord easier so that might be a factor, but if you're not using rubber bands in the first place the need for replacement is much less.
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Pat Fash New user 4 Posts |
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On Sep 10, 2017, MitchC wrote: I was thinking about ordering one as well. I would love to hear your thoughts upon receiving the coin. Also Roy offers some coins with re-milled edges. As English is not my native language can someome explain to me what that exactly means? |
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tonsofquestions Inner circle 1802 Posts |
Technically it's not re-milled, it's re-reeded, but it's a common mistake.
Some coins have ridges along the sides, they're called "reeds": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_edge Older coins often have these worn down, and so by touching them up you can make the coin look newer/be easier to palm (smooth vs grippy sides). On a flipper this also makes some folks wary, because of the visual difference between the two parts. So it's also a treatment people will do to it to make it look consistent. Whether you think you'd want it done is entirely up to personal preference. I hope that helps! |
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