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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts 
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So I've seen two videos recently of people performing Mnemonicosis and they both did something that I don't understand. The first was David Blaine on Jimmy Fallon and the second was Chris Ramsay in his recent video. I'll put links below. In both they asked for a card to be named. On Fallon's show he chose the nine of diamonds, stack number 52, or the bottom card. He had Jimmy choose one or two, he chose two. He opened the box to find the ace of hearts at position one on the face and the nine of diamonds in position second from the face. So Blaine switched the nine of diamonds and the ace of hearts before the start of the trick. I have no idea why. Then Chris Ramsay does the exact same kind of thing in his video, once again the nine of diamonds had been switched with the Ace of hearts. The spectator chose the ace of hearts and Chris had him open the box to see his card staring at him. And again, I have no idea why these two cards were switched in the first place. I commented on Chris Ramsay's YouTube video and someone basically said "read Vernon its in there" and didn't want to tell me where. He ended up mentioning the booklet "Early Vernon." What exactly is the reason for this? Anyone know what is going on here? I feel like I should easily be able to figure out why they are doing this, but I'm drawing a blank. Thanks.
Chris Ramsay video (2:00 in): https://youtu.be/k36PbFfJY6I David Blaine video (4:40 in): https://youtu.be/Z8Ws4PEky28 |
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WooG New user 30 Posts
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Not to sound harsh, but I think your confusion is one of the reasons to do this. aside from the likelyhood of the card
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts
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What do you mean by that? Is it really just that the ace of hearts is more commonly named than the nine of diamonds? And what do you mean by my confusion is one of the reasons to do this?
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tomd Special user 747 Posts
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Likelyhood of the card. I move the four of clubs for the same reason. No one ever names that card.. unless I suspect the person I'm performing for is one of the few people really attempting to catch me out, then everything stays the same.
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts
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That thought occurred to me for a second, but it just seemed to dumb to me. I thought there was something deeper there. Where do you move the 4 of clubs to? Thanks for the reply.
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WooG New user 30 Posts
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Further to the point, swapping the posistion of the two cards removes some initial indication of stacked deck( for those that know the stacks- many people become familiar when they see certain cards at the bottom of the deck and immediately know it is stack work). This however is also done as mentioned for the likelyhood .
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tomd Special user 747 Posts
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I've contemplated it being due to trying to throw off those in the know, however it didn't fool me for a second.. anyone familiar with that stack, will know the trick, and know that it wasn't that hard to be in that position. I suspect it being a card named way more often, is the reason.
As for me, the two of hearts is named more often, so I hope that answers your question James. |
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts
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I'm assuming you just switch the four of clubs and the two of hearts, just like the bottom 2 cards.
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alicauchy Veteran user Málaga, Spain 310 Posts
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On Aug 30, 2017, James F wrote: The simpler answer is that the deck was cut at the ace of hearts.
So much to do, so little time . . .
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tomd Special user 747 Posts
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On Aug 31, 2017, alicauchy wrote: In the case of David Blaine, that's not true. The nine of diamonds would not appear in the position it did if it was simply a case of cutting to the ace of hearts. It was a purposeful switch. |
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alicauchy Veteran user Málaga, Spain 310 Posts
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On Aug 31, 2017, tomd wrote: It is also compatible with a completely reversed order.
So much to do, so little time . . .
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JBSmith1978 Veteran user NY 389 Posts
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As an aside, a stack built specifically for mnemonicosis sounds like a fun project.
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tomd Special user 747 Posts
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On Aug 31, 2017, alicauchy wrote: True, but David Blaine has been recorded on video many times using the stack, and not once has he used it in reversed order. And close observation of the linked video where he performs this, shows the ten of diamonds two cards down from the nine of diamonds.. meaning it was a simple switch, as the deck is not reversed. working with the stack reversed impedes the majority (if not all) of the effects David uses, unless he memorised the reversed order, instead of the original intended version. |
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts
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Yeah, it's definitely that the two cards are simply switched. I just assumed there was more to it than this. The thought that the ace of hearts was more commonly named did come to me, but I dismissed it, figuring I was missing some deeper intention behind it.
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tomd Special user 747 Posts
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James, my opinion is that you are better off switching the top two cards, rather than the bottom two. I'd rather not discuss further in a public place, but you can PM me if you'd like to understand the reasoning.
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JBSmith1978 Veteran user NY 389 Posts
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Honestly as long as you know the order what does it matter?
If it works it works. As for the hypothetical "reverse order", some effects are built on this reverse while in others the math formulas change to be more intuitive. Since most memstack work is stack independent, any stack will do. |
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durgy Elite user Toronto 402 Posts
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I've just started with stack work (working with mnemonica) - can someone comment what the first trick David performed is called? Also what shuffle is that he uses throughout his routine?
Thanks in advance Durgy |
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Ahlichs New user 76 Posts
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On Aug 31, 2017, JBSmith1978 wrote: ... Mnemonica? |
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JBSmith1978 Veteran user NY 389 Posts
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Umm... No.
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MSaber New user 50 Posts
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@JBSmith1978 - I'm not sure on the name, but David does a variation of "Transportation in Three Phases" in Asi Wind's booklet “Chapter One”.
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