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AMcD
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Hi all!

I post a quick message because my old friend Silver asked me to answer and, after all, tommy did apologize (it's okay tommy). Besides, calling me a coward...

So!

First, I didn't know that Christian Chelman posted one of my videos here. That said, he's a very old friend of mine and he's allowed to do whatever the hell he wants to with my videos. After all, it's a video showing some card stacking, and it's not off topic here. By the way, I didn't use a stopwatch to "show" how fast I am, I'm not fast in that video, I can stack way faster. But as I go twice as fast as the other guy anyway, I needed to prove that the video is not edited. Hence the stopwatch.

Secondly, I don't know how many millions of times I would have to write it: I'm not a pro. I've never been one and I have never been interested of becoming one. I'm an amateur card player. My world was pubs, leagues, private games, etc. And in my world, most of the videos I show would fly without any form of problem! I couldn't care less of the regulations in professional games in Las Vegas. I have never been caught and I don't care about shuffling procedures at the Bellagio.

Point number three. Some guys here, in the Gambling Spot, are really funny. You criticise, you judge, you insult, but eventually, you never show anything. Never. At some point, who cares about your verbiage? We show with Bee cards? You want white bordered ones. We use Bikes, you want plastic cards. We use plastic, you want bridge sized cards. We film from above you want the camera in front of the deck. When it's done, you want another angle. When we do slow, we suck, when we go fast it's bad. It never ends!!! But what about you? Nothing, never. By the way, do you know that we play cards outside the USA? And... oh God, not even in casinos!! Allow me to tell you that sometimes, you are just ridiculous. If I had to play a game with such extreme conditions (the ones you ask for, which change every time someone follows them), with 20 cameras around me, 10 dogs ready to eat me and 10 bodyguard staring at me when I shuffle, well, I'm gonna give you a secret: I would just leave that game.

Last, Cag. Sir, calling me a coward? Really? Why attacking me here and not answering my message? You know, the one I sent you a few days ago? You already called me a maniac, a psycho, a gay, etc. But coward is a bit too much. You talk a lot but you never show anything. So, here's my answer:

www.arnoldmcdonald.org/code/publicResource.php?p=6200083

Now, it's easy: Show me how you do it. It's a basic drill, it shouldn't be hard for a pro like you. If you can't, at least, stop talking about card manipulation. What would give you the authority to judge card sleights if you can't do a drill like this one? How could you criticize someone or something you can't do? It just goes beyond my head.

Thanks.
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Nice to see you post again AMcD. I figured my posts would possibly agitate you enough to draw you out of your cave and get you to respond. Smile

Okay, you evidently got your apology from tommy so perhaps that means you are back. Would be nice if you would not be a stranger here and start posting again.

Seems like a little agitation can be helpful at times. Smile

By the way, the link you posted above did not work.
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@AMcD: I don't recall receiving any messages from you. If I did, I would have responded. Did you send them by PM or to the email address I gave you?

Anyway, seems like you got your juices flowing which is good for the circulation.

Chill out and peace...
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Welcome back Arnie!
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With my old friend Arnold now back, the Spot is starting to look a lot like it used to Smile

Might I suggest we ALL permanently refrain from any sort of name calling, unless those names are associated directly with gambling, like scuffler, lame, hustler, sucker, etc.
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On Aug 31, 2017, Mr. Bones wrote:
With my old friend Arnold now back, the Spot is starting to look a lot like it used to Smile

Might I suggest we ALL permanently refrain from any sort of name calling, unless those names are associated directly with gambling, like scuffler, lame, hustler, sucker, etc.


Sound like a sterling idea.

Regarding names though, I kind of like the new moniker Arnold game me which is, "Professional Forum Boaster." I particularly like the "professional" designation. It has a certain "ring" to it.

Yes, let's be as civil as possible but still keep some of the fireworks. Smile
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I'm a new comer to this section and to this disagreement. Question - Has Cagliostro ever posted footage to validate his opinions?
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Well, I will say I value greatly what Cag offers in relation to Casinos but normally I take little notice of what he has to offer about private gaming houses, the amateur game or magic. I will also say that I am one who knows that his claims of skill are valid. How I know that is my business and you can make of that what you will.

It is nice to see Arnold back arguing the toss again - like the old days. Smile
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On Sep 1, 2017, Gamblor wrote:
- Has Cagliostro ever posted footage to validate his opinions?


He doesn't have to mate, you're barking up the wrong tree.
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And still nobody commenting my videos (the one posted here being an excellent exercice for any aficionado studying card cheating techniques).

Yep, nothing has changed here...
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On Sep 1, 2017, Gamblor wrote:
- Has Cagliostro ever posted footage to validate his opinions?


He doesn't have to mate, you're barking up the wrong tree.


Thank you for clearing that up. I'm in the habit of verifying credentials prior to heeding advice, so I appreciate you setting me straight.
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And still nobody commenting my videos (the one posted here being an excellent exercice for any aficionado studying card cheating techniques).

Yep, nothing has changed here...

Could be the size of the download Arnold.
I'm at 73mb after about 15 or 20 minutes, and it's still downloading.

It's a big file!
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On Sep 1, 2017, AMcD wrote:
And still nobody commenting my videos (the one posted here being an excellent exercice for any aficionado studying card cheating techniques).

Yep, nothing has changed here...


Once again, the video link on this thread does not work...at least for me and probably others. Might want to check the link.
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We watched it an hour so ago Arnold and it’s very nice. There were quite a few five handed games before community-card games such as Hold'em and Omaha became popular. Seven-card stud was one of a most widely played poker variants which was often 5 6 7 players and I think there are still a few games around. There used to be Seven-card stud a game at the Vic in London a few years back. I think most five handed games are pretty much dead now but there are five handed house games, I mean casino stud games etcetera, the sort of games played on black jack tables. I mean we see about five players at those tables quite often.
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It's 108mb in size and it has already been downloaded 120 times. I strongly doubt the link is not working...

Annyway, I'm in a good mood, here's another way for you:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u47ldoeufl6mk......ZLa?dl=0

(thanks Serge!)
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If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

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That's a smooth drill. Just wonder if you can switch between 4 5 6 maybe 7 hands instantly?
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Was finally able to access the video.

Funny, cute and nicely performed demo but what does this have to do with gambling and especially getting the money?

Certainly it is a nice drill for aspiring cardsters and wannabee demonstrators to work on as it is not particularly difficult to master...somewhat like learning to juggle 3 balls...and enables newbies to acquire some very basic and simple riffle shuffle control skills. It also makes for a good demonstration enabling one to receive accolades for skill from less experienced cardsters and wannabees, is a nice visual contribution for the BB membership and perhaps gives boasting rights for accomplishment to those who master this relatively simple practice technique. It can also be used as a challenge to others, something akin to, "Bet you can't spit as far as I can," or "I can climb a tree faster than you, so there..." or some other such nonsense but most people outgrow this type juvenile behavior by the time they are 8 years old.

I am sure many are appreciative of Arnold's performance and he deserves a thank you for his contribution to the magic community. However, I should mention to the more astute members this demo, like most demos, is pretty irrelevant for getting the money under fire in any worthwhile game as it is severely incomplete as many essential elements are missing for it to fly under fire. However, as a magician demo drill it is okay and fun to play with but stacking 3 cards for five handed Hold'em game is pretty much child's play.

Once again, this and indeed many other short little magic demos look nice and gives one a reputation for skill and in large part are designed to entertain and impress other magicians and perhaps in some instances to stroke one's ego. That being the case I am sure there are some on this board who will master this simple and very basic exercise and have fun with it.

The Professional Forum Boaster has spoken... Smile
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"what does this have to do with gambling and especially getting the money?"

Yes, I really wonder how stacking cards could have something to do with Gambling. Really! Maybe you think I stacked cards in my games for the fun of it?

"not particularly difficult to master..."

Yes, sure. That's probably why you can't show us. It's so easy to stack 3 cards in 2 riffles, more especially with that rhythm and that speed. Child's play, really.

"stacking 3 cards for five handed Hold'em game is pretty much child's play."

Why don't you show us then? You wanna bet some money that you are unable to do what I do in that video? Be my guest. For your information, I stacked for 5 players because you said that stacking for 5 players is child's play.

"many essential elements are missing for it to fly under fire".

ROTFL. I've never been caught stacking cards. I couldn't care less of your (hypothetical) Las Vegas professional games. It flew in my environments, and that's all that matters.

"there are some on this board who will master this simple and very basic exercise and have fun with it."

Some? No, millions of people can do it. It's a very basic exercise indeed. Before you ask, I can do the same for 6 or 7 players (still 2 riffles), and even blindfolded for 5. So easy, isn't it?

I prefer to laugh at your comments. See? I'm controlling myself. Like a pro.
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Well, I am glad to see you have your juices flowing AMcD. Incredible control of emotions...just like a pro.

Keep on trucking. Smile
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