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glennmagi
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What is Lame, Out of Date Magic?
I have read over 10 years of assorted magazines, books that fill a bookshelf and more dvds than I care to count, but I’ve never read an in depth discussion of this.

Mistakenly, magicians will often point out that many types of kid’s magic is “old” and not worth doing but it is definitely not old to the child. I saw a magician putting down some magic as old but, he was doing even older magic such as with playing cards and cups and balls.

Is there any consensus on this or is it all subjective opinion? I’ve heard it said (and there is validity to it) that using a prop with black paint and red Chinese letters on it is practically an advertisement to people that it’s a prop. In Henry Hay’s The Amateur Magician’s Handbook he describes the Chinese Sticks as never being a good trick, although some laughs are possible with it.

I wonder how much of this is generational such as the older generation hating younger one’s music. I got an impression of lameness from a magician at a traveling carnival who was wearing a gaudy colored tuxedo here in our Florida heat.

This isn’t meant to personaly attack any magician, but rather does any magic effect really die or is there always a way to revive it?
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Hi Glen! Interesting post. Here are my thoughts:

Cigarette Magic (Once stylish, now not so much)

Thimble Magic (Do people under 30 know what a thimble is?)

Newspaper Magic (Newspapers are still around but not the household item they once were)
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I believe it is subjective. Good magic will always entertain. When I use a thimble for example I will use it to educate first by explaining what it is and how its used. I then cause them to multiply. People still enjoy that. So my advice is judge by the reaction you get when you perform. Your audience will let you know if it outdated magic or not. Hope that helps.

Good magic to all,


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I agree and didn't think right away about the cigarettes being out. They played a big part in my father's death.
Thimbles, I like when someone put colored band aids over the thimbles.
Newspapers, I really didn't think of that although I was thinking of using posters instead.
Thanks too Eric, your input is valuable.
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Interesting thread indeed.

Maybe we can put it like this - props may become outdated but principles always remain relevant. More importantly, the magician/mentalist as a performer and entertainer must regularly reinvent himself to remain relevant.
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In style forever! This guy will always be my favorite. Watch if you dare...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d00pTfhD4Vw

(He's so flipping funny, love this guy)
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There are tricks/props that are culturally insensitive that should be considered out of date.

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Sorry, here's the video. Smile

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That video made me question my involvement with magic (nah, I'm ok). I have no doubt that this is how John Belushi of SNL would have handled it.
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Linking rings and zombie for me both way past there sell by date
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The Sponge, I agree. That's valid reasons for dropping some magic.
The Linking Rings as far as being artsy about it, is not for me. I do a variation of Comedy 4 Ring Routine by Whit Haydn and I think that's a winner.
Zombie ball as traditionally done is out for me too, although the Fred Zombie routine by Axtell Puppets is hysterical.
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I agree with glennmagi. I can't see putting Linking Rings on this list. Rings are such a simple object that they don't require justification. Like sticks or balls, they are what they are.

They might be cliche' but they aren't anachronistic like thimbles are. (I also never liked the silent artsy ring routines. I think they are only magical when the audience thinks they have handled them)

I know many will disagree with me but I consider most paddle routines to be anachronistic. Color changing dots are just a not amazing today with modern technology (even though that is not the method)
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Another vote for zombie ball. I watch a ton of magic, that is hands down at the top of the list of least favorite routines.
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Here is an example of something I drop and replace. The classic Malini Egg bagg has bothered me in that nobody in our world puts eggs in felt bags. So when I saw PBE by Chris Pilsworth which uses a normal looking shopping bag, that was for me and I got it.
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Nathan, that video is hilarious! Thanks for sharing.
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Quote:
On Sep 2, 2017, MeetMagicMike wrote:
Here are my thoughts:

Cigarette Magic (Once stylish, now not so much)

Thimble Magic (Do people under 30 know what a thimble is?)

Newspaper Magic (Newspapers are still around but not the household item they once were)


All true Mike, yet the routines and moves from all three of the above can be done with other props. More up-to-date and recognizable props.

Thanks!

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As J-Mac said the effects might be outdated.But the sleights method's and handlings
can be transferred to other effects.The same goes with mental and mentalism effect's.
The principle's can also be used to perform a number of effect's.Also they can be mixed
togeather to produce a new effect.
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On Sep 2, 2017, glennmagi wrote:
Here is an example of something I drop and replace. The classic Malini Egg bagg has bothered me in that nobody in our world puts eggs in felt bags. So when I saw PBE by Chris Pilsworth which uses a normal looking shopping bag, that was for me and I got it.


You may like this Smile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brE3CMhRpTg
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Anything that uses animals. They should not be used for entertainment or shoved in confined spaces.
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