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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts 
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... Yes... Who's putting that fear into you?
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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In a world, obsessed with spectacle, what do you expect?
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On Oct 3, 2017, Jonathan Townsend wrote: Mother Nature.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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On Oct 3, 2017, Jonathan Townsend wrote: But their culture does not value human life the way we do. Force is the only language they understand. It's a cookbook. Besides if we don't kill them there, we'll have to kill them here. We tried everything short of war already, we have no choice. It's with great regret we kill. Bring them to justice. Collateral damage, free fire zones, no fly zones, enhanced interrogation. The wars come home. Inquiring minds of Sparta wonder about the serial killers on the loose.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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We seem to have among us those who wish to indulge in supernatural visions of "Mother Nature", "Father Sky" ... and a paranormal notion of causality.
You did it. Your thoughtcrimes. That pin you did not pick up. The crack you stepped on while walking home. It's all your fault. So much easier to live in fear of the rare madman and the evil they might bring by misusing technology. So much easier than to learn the roots of madness and expend efforts on detecting, deflecting and redirecting such impulses.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On the contrary; it's completely natural.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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On Oct 3, 2017, LobowolfXXX wrote: So are famine, malaria, and intra clan warfare scaling up to genocide. As are all those scary things we see in nature documentries. Our cultural feature of rapid intergenerational learning puts it all up for abuse. Our enlightened self interest inside a culture makes things unnaturally less directly warlike. The other law of large numbers puts risks into the environment.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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Who's putting that famine into you?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts
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Much abused word, that "natural."
If nature means everything that is, then yes, they are all natural. The use of that word just leads to tautological thinking. Instead of asking what is natural, at least ask what is possible, just, or desirable. And then, for whom. And Jon--someone dropped that grenade pin that no one picked up. There is a lot of work to be done, unfortunately, picking up other people's physical and metaphysical garbage.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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It means, in this case, something that arises organically, as opposed to - Jon's assumption - something that is "put" there.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts
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On Oct 3, 2017, NYCTwister wrote: That's a fact? https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/cnsne......and-2013 http://ijr.com/2016/01/510415-10-charts-......pective/ |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts
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But if we want to know if anyone NEEDS a semi automatic weapon based on the small number of deaths they cause each year, shouldn't we also ask, "Does anyone NEED a car that goes over 80 MPH based on the very large number of deaths speeding causes each year?"
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/sunda......yth.html "In 2012, only 322 people were murdered with any kind of rifle, F.B.I. data shows." https://seriousaccidents.com/legal-advic......peeding/ "In 1999, speeding was a contributing factor in 30 percent of all fatal crashes, and 12,628 lives were lost in speeding-related crashes." |
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I have no problem limiting the speed of cars. I don't want lighting fixtures with exposed wires sold either, or fans with blades that spin off and fly around rooms. I guess that makes me a bad person.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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Why fret over the suicidal acts of a madman?
Why not fret over how we might redirect such people toward more socially relevant action than "madman disrupts music event by firing weapons at audience". Better to fret what laws may be hastily written, signed and make matters worse.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On Oct 4, 2017, landmark wrote: Kudos! Good answer! Less funny than the "The purpose of cars isn't to kill" response, but still good.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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A skyscraper now stands down a dark alley where nobody goes. Fret not over the suicidal acts of a madman but in a world, obsessed with spectacle; expect the next to be bigger and more horrific than the one before.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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Quote: Different demographics and geographies. How do you reconcile your belief with the fact that for 20 years, from the mid-90s through a few years ago, private gun ownership in the USA increased by over 55%, and the gun homicide rate decreased by 49%? On Oct 3, 2017, NYCTwister wrote: Quote:
Actually, under the policies that were in place in the USA, gun homicides have dropped substantially since their peak in the mid-90s. So if the goal is "consistently lessening the danger," then it's a little hard to square the data with the "What we've been doing hasn't been working" narrative.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts
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Yeah, I guess it just seems like people are getting shot.
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts
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On Oct 5, 2017, NYCTwister wrote: Or in other words. "Umm, yeah, I guess the data says something completely different than I was claiming, so I'll make a stupid flip remark since I can't respond to the actual facts." |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On Oct 5, 2017, NYCTwister wrote: No...it just seems like MORE people are getting shot. But the fact is, the number of gun homicides has decreased DRAMATICALLY over the past couple of decades, despite a significant increase in the number of privately owned guns. So again I ask how that squares with your belief that more guns = more gun violence. As for the perception of continually increasing gun violence, it should be readily apparent how that squares with the narrative of a predominantly liberal media exaggerating the risk to encourage support for policy change. Or, alternatively, Why do you think most people think the gun homicide rate is higher than ever when in fact it's not just lower, but significantly lower?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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