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Dapperdan
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I am a part-time magician and a paid member of GigSalad. I get a ton of leads, but have only snagged a couple gigs. (Like someone said earlier, I DON'T negotiate my rates on here!)
What I DO love about GS (which I haven't really seen mentioned here) is that they totally handle the payment. I like getting a deposit up front and I love being guaranteed to get payment after the performance. Note that I have never been burned by a client, but I certainly have a fear of that happening! That alone is worth it to me.
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GigSalad Is like Goole for magicians for me ! I have done excellent with there service in fact I can't believe how low the rate they charge for the bookings . I have been with them 3 years nothing but "Amazing Results"!!
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During the winter months & holiday functions I used the 50 percent coupon so it cost me like 149.00. I made 2,350.00 in shows I am not kidding here I don't know what I would do without this company . You also recieve top performer & the reviews are great. If the client pays with a credit card your covered they payout in 3 business days ! why loose a show I certainly could never pay the fees to except credit cards.

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How many shows does 2,350.00 represent?
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On Apr 17, 2019, Dannydoyle wrote:
How many shows does 2,350.00 represent?


How much do you get paid a show Danny?
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Oh now he threw that number out. Is it so wrong to clarify what that number means?

I didn't ask him for the number, I simply asked him to clarify it because it means nothing by itself.
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I have never understood this type of thinking or logic. Someone mentions a number, someone else asks for clarification, and the person asking for the clarification gets met with, so what is your number? One has nothing to do with the other.

What, someone can't say I didn't like that movie, only if they can produce a better one? One is not related to the other in any way, yet this mentality presents itself so often around here.

What Danny's price is would have absolutely nothing to do with this discussion or what the above poster was stating. So what's the point, really?
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The point is to give Danny a hard time!!! :-p

as to Danny “the number means nothing by itself” - well it doesn’t mean nothing. It tells us he saw a decent return on his investment. That’s a fact no matter how many shows he did. Naturally we would know more if we knew his average price per show, as well as the type of market he performs for.

Gig Salad is a really weird animal. It’s gotten me some good work, and a successful annual gig (8th year in a row this year). But the majority of inquiries from gig salad are just that... an inquiry for info and that’s it.
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I think thomasR's point is that if tophatter answered Danny's question, it would be easy for anyone to come up with tophatter's price per show. And price per show is information that is typically held close at hand. If he answered Danny's question, he'd be putting that info out in public for anyone to see, and possibly take advantage of.

Still, it'd be helpful information for our discussion considering the thread so far. It's just info I wouldn't share here either.
thomasR's question for Danny was rhetorical, pointing out that it's likely Danny wouldn't want to answer the question either.

Regarding your question about movies, of course you're still welcome to say whatever you want - it was never in question. And obviously it applies to everyone else in our Café.

And in case anything I've said causes either of you to want to take a stand or defend something unknown to me, I'll remind you that I'm not telling you what IS. I'm offering the view from over here. I'd relish more discussion about GigSalad.
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I used GigSalad (paid membership) for 3 years, and GigMasters for 1, starting about 10-12 years ago. My experience was that the extra trouble it took to go through their system wasn't worth working with the type of client that reached out. The shows that resulted from other resources (word-of-mouth, targeted ads, landing pages) were better and more enjoyable. I also didn't care for their effect on my SEO. I found them easy to leave behind.
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On Apr 17, 2019, Keith Raygor wrote:
I think thomasR's point is that if tophatter answered Danny's question, it would be easy for anyone to come up with tophatter's price per show. And price per show is information that is typically held close at hand. If he answered Danny's question, he'd be putting that info out in public for anyone to see, and possibly take advantage of.

Still, it'd be helpful information for our discussion considering the thread so far. It's just info I wouldn't share here either.
thomasR's question for Danny was rhetorical, pointing out that it's likely Danny wouldn't want to answer the question either.

Regarding your question about movies, of course you're still welcome to say whatever you want - it was never in question. And obviously it applies to everyone else in our Café.

And in case anything I've said causes either of you to want to take a stand or defend something unknown to me, I'll remind you that I'm not telling you what IS. I'm offering the view from over here. I'd relish more discussion about GigSalad.


I think a GigSalad discussion is a good thing. No doubt. If that was serious from you, and not a way to get a condiment joke out, I agree completely. I think everyone's experience with the sites, and the way they use and approach using them can be a VERY useful thing! I am shocked we don't have more of those discussions because I have to say it is one of those topics where everyone has a different answer, and EVERY answer is right!
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I never have been associated with any online gig generating site. It simply is not how I choose to work. BUT I will say that I know of a magician who is quite good, who gets a good price from these types of sites. His strategy works.

So again there is NO one right answer here!
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If it took more than half a dozen shows to get to that figure - that's an important bit of information. The big number is completely useless without the context.
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If it took more than half a dozen shows to get to that figure - that's an important bit of information. The big number is completely useless without the context.


How is it completely useless? You and Danny have both said that and I'm interested to know why.

If you were at a business meeting with someone who owned a clothing store and they said "we made a $2,000 profit last month" would you immediately ask "well how many shirts did you have to sell to make that much?"

Now I agree that more information would be helpful. If he wanted to share his average price per show, that does tell us more information, but that's also something that many people don't want to share in public. It would also help to know what type of markets he works in as some markets seem to work better than others on Gig Salad.
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When exactly did he use the word profit? You inserted that yourself.

Even if it was profit, it matters as to if he had to do 10 shows to make that profit or 20 or 30. Each number of shows changes the equation drastically, even IF we use the word profit, that you inserted.

Also comparing retail stores to service industry is not really the same thing at all. Our business specifically is very different from selling shirts.
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"We made $2,000 profit last month" has context. It was last month. Context changes it dramatically. Examples:

"We made $2,000 profit last week." Ok, that is probably pretty good in many markets.

"We made $2,000 profit last year." Uh, you're probably going out of business soon.

"We made $2,000 profit over the last decade." You're actually a front for the mob, aren't you?

If one made $2,350 over the course of 10 gigs - that's only $235 per gig. That's ... nothing I'm interested in. I have charged more than that for 10 minute MC-style spots and I'm no one.

If it was 1 gig, I'm interested in that. But it wasn't, or he would have lead with it.

If it's more than 5 - it's not worth it to maintain the profile and such on a service I have no real control over when I'm doing better without any marketing outside of some word of mouth.

Also - to circle back to your assertion - if a store was telling me they made 2K profit because I was consulting with them on how to improve their bottom line (clearly a very hypothetical situation), I would absolutely want to know how much product they sold to reach that number. If it's flying off the shelves at $5, it will still fly off the shelves at $7 (albeit possibly slightly slower) and that will increase their bottom line without any extra overhead.

A friend of mine runs a specialty waffle booth. She figured out that by increasing her prices by 20% she could sell significantly less (thus putting less demand on her to make the food as well as spending less on supplies) and still make the same money. Guess what? She didn't sell any less, and thus she ended up profiting significantly more for basically the same amount of investment.

So yeah. Blanket statements without qualifiers are basically useless because the context will absolutely change the ultimate meaning of that number.
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True... $2350 is what he "made in shows"

Our business is still a business though.... some things are different, some things are the same. I think many magicians would do well talking to and comparing themselves to other local businesses. But that's getting away from the main topic I suppose.
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I couldn't disagree with you more That IS what many performers and entertainment businesses do (by default and poor advice) and that is where their problems start. In reality, they "would do well" spending that time and effort into learning the entertainment business.
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Yes we definitely disagree on that.
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On Apr 18, 2019, thomasR wrote:
True... $2350 is what he "made in shows"

Our business is still a business though.... some things are different, some things are the same. I think many magicians would do well talking to and comparing themselves to other local businesses. But that's getting away from the main topic I suppose.


You have just proven why it is a bad idea to do just this.
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