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On Dec 19, 2017, JackMagic wrote:
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On Dec 18, 2017, Robert Houdin 78 wrote:
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On Dec 18, 2017, Mac_Stone wrote:
I think those that have spent nearly four times the cost of this product and have worked so diligently for YEARS are in their right to be upset that this product so blatantly gives the game away.


I fully understand those who spent $1500 on a single die using vibrations technology to be upset now that a $400 “colored dice trio” using a responsive visual display has been developped.

This is the nature of things that rely on technology.

R.


This happens in all fields of technology

When large screen TV's came out they cost a fortune
now you can get the same for lot less

Makes you wonder why the price has stayed the same over the last five years when clearly it is possible to make the same for a lot less !!



Clearly its not the same because you can recharge the other product AT HOME.


You make it sound like because all televisions display some type of image that makes them all the same, when in fact some televisions have more ADVANCED technology and produce a BETTER image than their competitors and with that they come in at a higher price point.
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I have had my real die from Craig for over 7 years and it has worked and continues to work flawlessly . When it runs out Craig will replace it for a nominal fee , I can see the potential of having 3 die but I do love the vibrating receiver on the real die and the no need to look anywhere at all for the information and the also the complete ungimmicked look of the die . I think he has another version out now where you can charge them by just laying the die on it’s charger . Mine like I say is still going strong and it’s the appearance and weight etc that make it seem utterly impossible for electronics to be involved . Best wishes Tarik 🙂
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On Dec 18, 2017, Titanas wrote:


Dice:
* All of the electronic dice effects we are discussing are the result of Anverdi's Mental Dice.

* MURPHYS MAGIC OWNS THE RIGHTS TO THE ENTIRE ANVERDE LINE. If ANYONE should have an issue with this is should be Murphy's.

* This is also true of Anverdi's COLOR MATCH, SPIRIT BELL, etc.
Murphy’s has NEVER been compensated by ANYONE for using Anverdi's ideas and original effects.

* Over the years there have been upgrades in technology, different ways of transmitting the signal, etc.
this does NOT change the fact that these "effects" are Anverdi’s and thus belong to Murphy's Magic.

* We have never come out against ANY person who has taken an Anverdi Idea, (again, which Murphy's owns the right to)
changed the way the signal is delivered, etc. and called it their own.

* People have taken Anverdi’s ideas and made updated technological upgrades that were not available at the time these were first made.
but the facts remains that Murphy’s owns the rights to all of these ideas/effects.

Best regards,
Titanas


Although I cannot speak to other counties, with regard to the United States, Murphy's does not own the rights to any Anverde idea. At least not legally. In the United States there is no such thing as legally owning an idea. Murphy's could own a Patent, but it does not appear that they do. You cannot Copyright an idea, you cannot Trademark an idea and the concept of Trade Secrets does not apply in this situation. Even if Anverde had patents, they would have long expired. Now I realize there may be arguments regarding ethics which is a totally different discussion. But when Titanas posts that Murphy's OWNS something, that means - to me - an argument of law not ethics.
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Funny how everyone goes on about RD including Craig's mate Brett

But Craig has always said he did not want RD mentioned on magic Café or any social media site

Pitty the people the have high regard for Craig can't respect his wishes !
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Funny how everyone goes on about RD including Craig's mate Brett

But Craig has always said he did not want RD mentioned on magic Café or any social media site

Pitty the people the have high regard for Craig can't respect his wishes !


Exactly.
So many blowhards who want to name drop, maybe get a discount on the latest product.
Tarik did a splendid job of not only using the correct name, how it works but threw in Craig's name to give the impression they're good buddys.
Who needs to worry about exposure on you tube and talent shows when we have the magic Café and unethical dealers.
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Hey guys, did I miss anything? (Tongue pressed firmly in cheek)
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I suppose I may have been entirely wrong on my thinking here and for that I apologize.

It's been made plainly clear to me that it is far more likely that a layperson will happen to stumble upon The Café, find this section of Latest and Greatest, find THIS particular thread, AND read through all its pages than it would be for the algorithms of youtube to spread a video throughout general public.

Obviously if we want to keep secrets safe we should be discussing them on youtube and not The Café.

Again, I'm grown enough to know when I'm wrong and admit to it. I'm just glad there was someone available to point that out to me.


I'm sorry.
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Ed, Mac... unfortunately ethics no longer exist in magic people are more than happy to expose the workings of magic on open forums these days so unfortunately there's nothing we can do about it anymore, in fact I often wonder why we even have the secret sessions forum anymore.
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There is something we can do about it. We can call people out on their behaviour, make them aware no one appreciates their blatant exposure of other peoples products and hopefully humiliate them into keeping their mouths shut. Its generally the same people who do it, those with an over inflated sense of self importance who are desperately in need of appearing knowledgable about magic.
Tarik, as you have chosen to ignore my post asking you to clarify your earlier post I assume you have accepted you were in the wrong, generally when a person resorts to childish insults its a strong sign that their argument has failed. Very simply, the creator of rd has made it very clear he does not want it advertised or discussed openly. For this reason he does not advertise it or sell it publicly. You have blatantly broken this breach of trust and have therefore broken the fundamental rule of magic by revealing secrets. All for the sake of making yourself appear knowledgeable. Shame on you sir.
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The Penguin Magic website now states the date has been pushed back to 15th Jan 2018 !!!

Glad I did not pre order this one what with all the extra costs for X Mas gifts I will wait until it's officially out
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I can wait longer , hope he can launch a rechargeable version. Smile
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I, for one, am GLAD this topic seems to be back on track discussing Marc Antoine’s trick. Please, fellows, take your differences off line vai PM’s
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If there is no secret, there is no magic is a great statement. I was considering buying a RD, but after the promo video for mental dice I am reconsidering my purchase and going a different direction. I won't be buying either product.

Tarik's comments are very disappointing and demonstrates there are amatures with the money to buy expensive "toys." If he was using these products for paying gigs he would understand their value. There are ethics on the Café and I can't belive this thread has not be trashed and I am surprised he has not been banned from the Café.

As we know there are always a few people in the audience that can't stand being "fooled" no matter how good your presentaiton. They will search the internet. They enjoy it. Most of us started with a ball vase and Svengali deck, but unless your performing for children or work at magic shop you are no longer performing these effects because of their general knowledge in the public.

Knock offs and re-inventing old tricks into new ones are nothing new. Craig had the Mercedes and there will always be fords and toyotas, but this type of promotion cannot be tolerated. Mruphy magic, Hocus pocus and Penguin magic are all running this promo video. Why don't any fo these vendors care????

Just my thoughts,
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Though I typically don't preorder anything, ever, I bought this strictly as an alternative to Pool Balls Prediction by Magic Wagon, which is one of my favorite MW effects...
In my mind, it is a very similar effect and strictly serves as an alternative for more manageable pocket space; don't have to carry around a stand and 4 pool balls.

I own a few of Craigs products, and absolutely LOVE them, and never intended any disrespect to Craig or his products when I purchased the Mental dice.
Honestly, to me the effect is different enough that the thought of "rip-off" never occurred to me. As I said, more of a portable alternative to MW Pool Balls Prediction.
I'll continue to use and purchase Craigs effects, but can see using this one as well, and I think there is room for both. I suppose many on here will disagree, just my opinion.
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We live in hope that the pre order hype will be a thing of the past in 2018

This is another example

Murphys listed originally as 22nd Dec

Now penguin has it on 15 Jan

MJM on 02nd Feb

And Saturn Magic has not got a clue when it's now coming out
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On Dec 23, 2017, JackMagic wrote:
We live in hope that the pre order hype will be a thing of the past in 2018
This is another example
Murphys listed originally as 22nd Dec
Now penguin has it on 15 Jan
MJM on 02nd Feb
And Saturn Magic has not got a clue when it's now coming out

I fear that your (rightful) hope is hopeless hope.
There will always be stupid people.
And the dealers bet on those people.
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I was not wanting to announce this yet, because they are not yet in production, but coming in the new year will be my own mentalism die.
They are 16mm x 16mm x 16mm. They are sealed and rechargeable. They are made of mahogany and other hard woods for a retro feel. I am experimenting with soft woods. I think this distinguishes them from others on the market besides making them look less electronic. I also have a plastic version. I think the price point will be about the same, i.e. $400.

I don't want to say more because it's not my thread and this is an open forum, but anyone interested can PM me or email me at magitronics@outlook.com and I can send details and also pictures of prototypes.
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I was not wanting to announce this yet, because they are not yet in production, but coming in the new year will be my own mentalism die.
They are 16mm x 16mm x 16mm. They are sealed and rechargeable. They are made of mahogany and other hard woods for a retro feel. I am experimenting with soft woods. I think this distinguishes them from others on the market besides making them look less electronic. I also have a plastic version. I think the price point will be about the same, i.e. $400.

I don't want to say more because it's not my thread and this is an open forum, but anyone interested can PM me or email me at magitronics@outlook.com and I can send details and also pictures of prototypes.



Promystic has this. I own two of them for a long time now. Solid wood and you can recharge them. He has ESP symbols , number dice or anything you want he will customize for you.
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Oh boy, here we go again...
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Oh boy, here we go again...


Refuting a claim that his is unique... yup I'll gladly post
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