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Iain, both official demo's for both Marc's dice and Murphy's version ( which are way more accessible then a post buried in this thread) have intimately exposed much more. Was trying to offer an idea in the guise of magicians helping magicians... sorry if that offended you.
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It didn't offend me, just pointing out the exposure that's all.

I asked penguin to password protect their page but they talked about it being down to Murphy's magic.

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We don't talk about offences, but exposure... exposure doesn't offend anybody, but exposure might be stupid and harmful - that's the point. Jan
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Unfortunately Penguin is only a drop in the bucket to the access points for those demo's. (it is the feature link at the top of this thread section!) I have a number of different ideas on how to use the dice in unique ways but gentleman I will avoid sharing further thoughts here. You can rest easy now.
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I don’t drink anymore Iain, it’s all weed and instinct Smile
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JM Talbot I appreciate your input and unique ideas. They are very helpful. It's too bad this thread is public though.

Would love to hear more of yours and others thoughts downstairs.
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On Dec 30, 2019, J M Talbot wrote:
Unfortunately Penguin is only a drop in the bucket to the access points for those demo's. (it is the feature link at the top of this thread section!) I have a number of different ideas on how to use the dice in unique ways but gentleman I will avoid sharing further thoughts here. You can rest easy now.


I don't get you... why not going "downstairs"? Smile Jan
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Sorry... I don't get why I am being called out for "exposing" something that has been shouted about for the past two years. Was simply showing a subtle idea I created with something that has been exposed many times, and as I pointed out is the banner ad and link for this section! Who at this point on the Café is not aware of the method? Not saying it is right but the reality. Read some of my past posts I am all for supporting true creators and generating positive content. I thought the idea would have some value to some users here.

I can see going downstairs for something that is a secret but seriously there is no secret with these dice. Doesn't mean they are not viable but require different thinking. I like to share when appropriate and our difference in opinion is what is appropriate I guess. Respectfully,

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I've read about half of this thread and still can't make out with certainty the lineage of this effect. It appears that:

1. A guy named Tony Averdi created the first version of this in the 70s.
2. Murphy's bought the rights (in the 90s? Is Tony still with us?)
3. My old friend Craig Filicetti put out an enclosed/examinable single die version in the 2000s
3. A guy named Marc-Antoine put out a 3 dice version in 2017 which is now discontinued (at least at Penguin)
4. Murphy's re-released Marc-Antoine's version as "Mental Dice by Tony Averdi" a few months ago with the bonus of it being rechargeable (is Marc-Antoine connected to this?)
5. Saturn Magic just now re-released Marc-Antoine's version with the option of one die and thumper.

Do I have this right? Thanks.
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To clarify Marc's has not been discontinued, he is selling direct and from a few dealers. Has announced some cool upgrades coming in a few weeks that look interesting.

Cheers,

John
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Since a few month I own marcs version too (and I like it and have a few ideas far more further then the "lunch" trick... ;-)
is there a closed facebook-group fur marcs version owners?


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To clarify Marc's has not been discontinued, he is selling direct and from a few dealers. Has announced some cool upgrades coming in a few weeks that look interesting.

Cheers,

John
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On Dec 12, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
Well, apparently Marc Antoine kicked me out of his DodyMagic Owners Facebook Group. I presume because I posted favorable comments in a thread someone started in the group about the Anverdi Mental Dice. Some of his supporters seemed a little unhappy that I wasn't "outraged" about Murphy's releasing a competing product.

Oh well.

Mark



So what !
I would be the last person on the planet to ever join Facebook .
Do you think I am miss out on anything ?
Think again if you answer yes , as trust me I don’t Gaz 🙂


Ps sounds like he has done you a massive favour
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Someone asks a question and an answer is provided, and you have to share that...
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It’s funny that those of us who have owned these products and spent thousands of pounds on them could always keep these things secret .
As soon as they are cheap and every magician and his dog can get one for Christmas they get exposed ?
That tells me more about the people who want cheap magic than anything else .
They get excited by technology and want to tell the world as their excitement overwhelms them as it’s an effect they can ( allegedly ) easily do .
A real magician is the complete and utter opposite of this imo .
The ones now complaining are actually the perpetrators in the exposure .
I would never ever want to do it like the facebook sheep do it , Gaz 🙂
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Not sure if you are directing that at me or not Gaz but please spare me. I own every version other than the recent rip off, including the original Anverdi version. Have owned one of the first proto types from Marc and have spent hours performing and working on ideas with them. The bigger issue was the questionable use of intellectual property but no one wants to address that... there is honestly nothing to expose as every magician with an once of interest in this knows the method thanks to the detailed demos readily available on every magic site world wide. Idle chatter on the Café, while irritating at times possibly is not the true issue here believe me.
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So what !
I would be the last person on the planet to ever join Facebook .
Do you think I am miss out on anything ?
Think again if you answer yes , as trust me I don’t Gaz 🙂


Ps sounds like he has done you a massive favour


I belong to 12 Facebook Groups that are specifically for the support of specific magic products (or, in some cases, a manufacturer's line of products). These groups have proved invaluable for help with issues, routine ideas and general sharing of enthusiasm for each particular effect. The groups are completely private and admission is regulated by whether or not you actually own the product(s) in question. Thus, EVERYONE in the group knows the secrets behind each effect, allowing open discussion without fear of revealing anything to anyone.

So, yes, you are missing something.

Mark
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On Dec 30, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
So what !
I would be the last person on the planet to ever join Facebook .
Do you think I am miss out on anything ?
Think again if you answer yes , as trust me I don’t Gaz 🙂


Ps sounds like he has done you a massive favour


I belong to 12 Facebook Groups that are specifically for the support of specific magic products (or, in some cases, a manufacturer's line of products). These groups have proved invaluable for help with issues, routine ideas and general sharing of enthusiasm for each particular effect. The groups are completely private and admission is regulated by whether or not you actually own the product(s) in question. Thus, EVERYONE in the group knows the secrets behind each effect, allowing open discussion without fear of revealing anything to anyone.

So, yes, you are missing something.

Mark

I prefer forums over facebook, facebook is a big mess and it is total waste of time!
If not the magic groups I will never visit facebook, yes they are useful but I waste much time until I found something useful, that is y I restricted my visits to once per week.
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No John my post was certainly not directed at you .
Infact no one in particular happy new year to all Gaz 🙂
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In reply to Marks post I can guarantee you I can get every piece of valuable information from any Facebook group if I want to .
That’s even if I don’t own the effect .
I just ask one of my many many magician friends who do like Facebook and who are in the group and they will tell me Gaz 🙂
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