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J M Talbot Inner circle 3055 Posts |
I was at Magic Live and Marc was there anytime I was in the Dealers room showing and selling the dice. As mentioned earlier he sold out at Magic Live... I am a little confused to be honest. Where did you hear that Justin?
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Justin Lewis Special user 981 Posts |
I'll get back to you on that. Can you explain how you think this is not a rip off from craig? You also mention maybe having a vibration cue would
Be a great option. So again, how is this different than RD?
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FredNarlo Loyal user Been waiting for John Dough for the last 282 Posts |
It’s different because it uses a totally different sense of our 5 senses. It uses a visual cue as opposed to touch (vibration). The information is relayed differently.
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
I feel and humbly suggest that we stop addressing and proving the never ending rip-off theory. IMO, if Marc's dice is rip-off of Craig, then Craig's die is also a rip-off of Anverdi (and few others). Let's put an end to this and move on. Also it gives me an impression that this exclusive 'Mental Dice by Marc Antoine' thread is being used to forcefully advocate Craig's Die. This is not good. One may discuss at length the pros-n-cons of the two die's, but must restrain from any such forceful tactics.
Thank you.
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J M Talbot Inner circle 3055 Posts |
Justin I have nothing but respect for Craig and his products and I own many. I do not think this a blatant rip of Craig having used both products. That is my opinion only. I have said above if someone wants a one die version RD is the way to go. Using three dice with the interface Marc has created I think is unique. Anverdi, Cassini, Wiseman, Mason, Labco, Jam Magic and others have released versions of an electronic die for the past 50 years.
If Craig believes this is a true infringement then I am sure he will take appropiate actions to protect his property and should. What I know of Craig I do not believe he would suggest someone was "thrown" out of Magic Live without validation or call someone else who is known for making quality items a fly by night operator. At least three other dealers at Magic Live were sellng copies of Marc's flash thumbtip, I wonder if any of them were thrown out? |
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
I have a very valid question please. Is the electronics injection molded (i.e. completely embedded in the plastic) in to the Die?
Hoping for am honest and straightforward answer.
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J M Talbot Inner circle 3055 Posts |
Ustaad the electronics are completly imbedded. There is no acess point.
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
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On Dec 16, 2017, J M Talbot wrote: Thank you so much. Appreciate the honest answer.
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Wayne Liew New user 93 Posts |
In my point of view, comparing Mental Die and RD is like comparing The Code and Marksman Deck. They both appear to serve the same purpose at first sight, but differ much when one pours creativity and personality into them. While I agree it is important to support originality, especially an incredibly dedicated creator like Craig, I believe we have to take a step back and put away all the positive biases. Only then we are able to see the difference between these two products and the possibilities they each offer.
Ustaad has provided a great insight regarding this issue, I can’t agree more. I meant no disrespect to anyone. Just my 2cents. Regards, Wayne
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elimagic Inner circle 1663 Posts |
I think something that is being glossed over is the fact that people keep saying that if you “want one die, use craig’s but if you want more options, use this.
This is not true as craig released different color dice more than a year ago WITH an ability to use multiple at once through feeling. The only “innovation” here is the fact that you don’t use feel but sight, which as justin pointed it is a huge step backwards and people who perform using these props regularly at paid gigs would know this to be the case. |
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Titanas V.I.P. 1995 Posts |
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On Dec 15, 2017, saysold1 wrote: First of all this message doesn't surprise me. Brett has had an agenda with us since he "imagined" that he is the inventor of the Svengali principle. I think Brett doesn't understand at all how the industry works as this is not a Murphy's release. Should we want to release that, we would have every right as we own the rights to the Anverdi’s line. Happy holidays to all, Titanas
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M Pitcher Elite user Around the block 432 Posts |
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On Dec 17, 2017, Titanas wrote: Mic drop! MP |
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
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On Dec 17, 2017, elimagic wrote: On this thread, primarily in support of one particular creator, the Feel-or-Sight logic has popped up at least a couple of times. Well it depends from individual to individual how one thinks and reasons out the logic. However IMO the Feel-or-Sight logic is neither a step backward nor forward. Any performer worth his salt should be able to entertain his spectators and perform the effect smoothly, effectively & effortlessly irrespective of the manner in which the information is made available to him. Just MY personal thought & opinion please. Continue please . . . . Thank you.
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Zeno of Citium New user next to my dog 22 Posts |
In the picture where the dice are stacked above each other they appear to be pretty unevenly molded. I mean that there seem to be round marks on a few sides but not all? Could anybody say something about that who had the dice in their hands?
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elimagic Inner circle 1663 Posts |
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On Dec 17, 2017, Ustaad wrote: Yes, any great performer could use either and entertain, don’t make it sound like I was saying something to the contrary. We were discussing the merrits to this new device verses the standard of the industry, and the practicalities of the way they are used because they have different methods of receiving. In real world use, it would be much more practical to not have to view something. The point of my prior post was to point out that this new set having different colors and being able to use them at the same time isn’t new at all. Yes, you are one hundred percent entitled to your own opinion however so am I and I think you are wrong in this case. Just MY opinion based on years of working with craig’s products over hundreds of shows. Best regards |
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J M Talbot Inner circle 3055 Posts |
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On Dec 17, 2017, Zeno of Citium wrote: The Dice I have and the others I have seen are even on all sides. John |
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
@ elimagic: I have quoted & commented on a small part of your post with special reference to the highlighted portion regarding the 'Sight' being a huge step backwards. That's it - - Nothing more nothing less.
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J M Talbot Inner circle 3055 Posts |
I have also enjoyed combining the Dice with concepts from the book "Green Neck System", weaving together some electronic and non electronic methods. Highly reccomend that book.
Elimagic, to confirm you are saying that Craig has a system that allows you to track three different colored dice (color and value) in real time with one receiver through vibration? Sounds neat. I am a liitle put off by the tone by some here that if you talk about this product you are somehow an enemy of Promystic. I own and use a large number of Promystic products and was an early adopter many years ago. If exploring other products makes me an outsider with Promystic I will wait for the email from Craig. |
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
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On Dec 17, 2017, J M Talbot wrote: Yes, the Green Neck System by Gabriel Werlen is a must have and a must read book.
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Yepski Regular user 186 Posts |
Just got a reply back from Dody Magic concerning battery life. The response stated that when the dice is not in use the dice completely disconnects from the battery, expected battery life with regular use is 3,4 years. Once the battery dies you will return the dice to Dody Magic and they will recharge/replace for a price estimated at $40 USD.
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