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einhorn Regular user London 190 Posts |
Marc that is a smart post. And I am delighted to tell you the fb group covers an ideal way to generate a number that only they could know. If you own a certain product already you’ll have the ideal way to do this. Also it then becomes a very clever way to use it P@! S£)w which opens up enormous possibilies and means you don’t have to take your phone out on stage. Enjoy.
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
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On Feb 7, 2018, Mark_Chandaue wrote: My head hurts. Why oh why complicate matters. The whole point of this app is to keep it simple, stupid. KISS. The way Nick performs it in the demo is brilliantly simple and the guests are dumbstruck. The end. Mission accomplished. |
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4196 Posts |
It all comes down to whether you still want them still fooled an hour later. As a close up magician force/reveal is probably good enough, if you are performing credible Mentalism you need to work a little harder. More effort on the performers part doesn’t mean it isn’t simple for the spectator. Think of a number, look up the number on the list, now think of the complete opposite. Job done the item they are thinking of is not on the list and could be absolutely anything and you theoretically couldn’t have forced it because you don’t know where they started let alone where they ended. The trailer performance looks great, took my girlfriend around 15 minutes to backtrack and suggest an app.
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
I think out of all the apps I own (most of them) lol this one is the most robust in term of no trickery pokery in play. It’s perfect for that “I hear you’re a magician. Show me a trick” scenario that we all find ourselves in often.
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Silverstar New user 48 Posts |
Nick, I know your working on one but any update on an Android version release?
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einhorn Regular user London 190 Posts |
SilverStar - we are working on it, but no release date yet. Sorry
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simplymagicweb Inner circle Norfolk, UK 1466 Posts |
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On Feb 8, 2018, Mark_Chandaue wrote: Adding a form of peek to obtain the number initially will certainly help to cloak the method, however I'm getting fantastic reactions just doing it as Nick does on the trailer. Simple and direct. Each to their own I guess. I also like the bit Nick does when he asks them to change their mind from the first number - I use this, and explain that often people use birthdays which restricts the number to 1 to 31 so that may give me a smaller range of numbers to work with, plus I may have somehow found out your birthday etc... When it comes to the reveal, I ask them what was their original number and get them to check the celebrity there - obviously, if they hadn't changed their mind, there would have been a different outcome........ As a double kicker, maybe this first number could also be revealed - ie, written prediction on business card on table? Just a thought... Great app Nick
Magically,
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4196 Posts |
As I said it all depends on whether you want fantastic reactions in the moment or a long term cooler. As a magician people know we use tricks. If an hour later a spectator thinks they know how you did one or two of them it’s not a major problem, you did your job and you entertained them in the moment. People will often try and backtrack and some will come up with credible theories. As a mentalist you do t have the same visual flash bank whiz of a magician and so it all hinges on your credibility.
My girlfriend isn’t a typical magicians girlfriend who knows lots of methods. We haven’t been together that long and I don’t practice on her. She has been to one of my gigs and she came to lads with me where we hung out in the bar. She watched the trailer with me and her initial reaction was a typical layman’s reaction. Around 10 minutes later she had figured out the method completely and the only thing that she got wrong was that she thought it was voice activated. My gut feeling and all of my experience of working to laymen is that she is the norm rather than the exception. Cypher sells with a similar force/reveal for a lottery ticket. Funny enough the effect that is taught with Cipher is version 1 of my effect Numbers. I rejected version 1 straight away because as incredible as the reactions were in my testing when I pushed my non magician friends to offer a solution 100% of them surmised that the number must have been forced, because I used their phone they didn’t know how but the general consensus was that the sum was always going to add up to that number no matter what they input. The current version that uses the force number as a starting point gets equal reactions but that same test group could not offer even a single method. The tool is exactly what it is supposed to be, a digital force bag. It’s very well put together and has a great input method. Tarim is 100% spot on that Occams Razor takes you straight to app . That’s not the apps fault it is up to the performer to layer and structure logical disconnects. Mark |
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JanForster Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 4238 Posts |
Not much to add... layering is always something we should think about. ONE possible layer here might be to use iThump... one spectator communicates to another spectator his thought off number by this way, it is a non verbal communication. The second spectator is then asked to delete the number... of course, to make it convincing you should have an Apple watch... Jan
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otreboR Elite user The Netherlands 418 Posts |
Maybe a nice layer would be writing the prediction on your business card and for example put it in an envelope with a hole in the back.
This way you can also add the number to the prediction by using a swami gimmick. |
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4196 Posts |
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On Feb 8, 2018, otreboR wrote: This wouldn’t be a good thing, you wrote the list so if you predicted the number it stands to reason that you know the item. In such a case the list becomes obsolete and you may as well just dispense with the list and predict the number. Mark |
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JanForster Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 4238 Posts |
Indeed ... a bit like mind reading, and then presenting a prediction... ... Jan
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The Duster Inner circle 1707 Posts |
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On Feb 8, 2018, Mark_Chandaue wrote: I'm not sure that is the problem with this idea It's not redundant because you would know the number if you know the item... it's a more basic misunderstanding than that... It's the App that's redundant - if you are going to s____ the answer... makes no sense to use a gimmicked app - and your hands will be totally free if you just use an ungimmicked list/etc I understand why people don't like the layering - as they see it as extra process but for no more [maybe less] of an imediate effect It's also off putting to those who aren't versed in the methods for the extra 'work' I have a presententional idea that I think makes it more credible [that is the audience are left thinking about something else - you can't leave them with only the app to think about] - will try and write it up later |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
I have the latest iPhone x and cannot set the home screen as when I screen shot it it still comes out wrong either keypad in front of saved image or icons I have never seen in my life please advise Tarik 🙂
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DrewBstoss Special user SLC, Utah 583 Posts |
Tarik - not sure about the compatibility with the X but the icons are explained in the instructions
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videoman Inner circle 6894 Posts |
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On Feb 10, 2018, Tarik Flash wrote: Those icons may be the ones that come with the app. The keypad is kind of a silly practice tool. Have you tried it yet? Sounds like everything may be as it should be. |
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4196 Posts |
Tarik it works perfectly on iPhone X if you are at the circle Monday I will get it all sorted for you if not I will sort you out at Blackpool and we can jam some presentation ideas.
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
I’ve emailed you the original default X screensaver Gaz.
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
Thanks Mark and Pegasus as I can’t get it working . I take a picture of my home screen and it doesn’t work . Even a blank picture and it still doesn’t . Something must be missing from the instruction as where do you get the correct blank screen from as mine is covered in the wrong icons even after trying everything . Thanks guys Tarik 🙂
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TuneHV Inner circle New York 2075 Posts |
It’s supposed to have the “wrong” icons... not sure I follow what your issue is
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