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I’ve been doing something with solo cups, coffee cups, etc. and a lemon or something underneath for a long time. Not sure anything really new here. Maybe I’m missing something.
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This really feels like Max Maven's Kurosuke with small tins.

Is Mr. Maven credited in the instructions?
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It's nothing like Kurotsuke.
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Can you start with all five? Or do you always have to begin with two?
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There are 8 tins, not 5. You can start out with all 8 tins on the table, if you want.
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On Feb 12, 2018, philraso wrote:
Can you start with all five? Or do you always have to begin with two?


Yes - you need to start with two
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I do a similar routine with business cards with different drinks written on the bank.
Got it from a Peter Nardi and Marc Spellman dvd.

Is this the same idea?
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You can start with all eight on the table.
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On Feb 12, 2018, reignofsound wrote:
I do a similar routine with business cards with different drinks written on the bank.
Got it from a Peter Nardi and Marc Spellman dvd.

Is this the same idea?


No, this is completely different. The method is bold but works 100% and is actually easier with the more objects (tins, business cards, bottle caps etc.) in play. You will not be disappointed with this purchase because it's suitable for any venue provided that you have a table.
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On Feb 12, 2018, Pugwash wrote:
You can start with all eight on the table.


I'm confused by this

I've only watched the first 45 minutes - but so far Menny is very clear - you HAVE to start with only 2 boxes

Maybe he teaches a weaker version/variation later on - where you can't turn away and you start with 8 boxes

Si I could be wrong

But it feels misleading to say you can start with all eight boxes on the table - when on the download Menny stresses you have to start with two - and then bring the others into play...
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It's nearer the end of the video. I think he calls it the "Advanced" version. Watch the whole video.
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It's nearer the end of the video. I think he calls it the "Advanced" version. Watch the whole video.


Unless this is QUITE a bit different than the version which he teaches in his 'At The Table' lecture, you cannot START with more than two boxes (although you can 'build' to as many boxes as you want over time.) In any event, the effect is terrific...
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You can start with eight boxes in play on the table. I cannot say more without...
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Actually, you can start with 2 or 4 (as in the advanced handling) but I prefer to begin with 2. But technically, you could start with 8 if they're all paired similar to the advanced version but this wouldn't be the best way to go theatrically since by adding additional boxes later seems to enhance the impossibility of the demonstration.
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I would have thought I would prefere the 8 boxes out [to start]

But I already had some ideas for lines and patter - that makes the 2 box start better for me [my voice]

The 'advance' version - doesn't really need you to be more skilled - if you set them up correctly it doesn't even need you to have good eyesight

Strangely the two box version [start] will seem fairer in some ways - as you can turn your back straight away

And as Jared said - each box you bring out is you making the stakes higher... as I said I have patter and ideas - so it's defintely the way I'm going to go forwards with this
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On Feb 9, 2018, NO1 MATRIX wrote:
Not for me its not a trick your paying for his know how I can give you mine for half price 40 years of magic I never buy this type of thing its very hard to perform like the person who has been doing this for donkeys years you buy many thinks same price but better effect in my opinion of this now on too the next case bish bash bosh london style !!!!!!!


Punctuation would probably go a long way toward making that something that people can actually understand, in my opinion.

I'm confident I could do this pretty solidly with some rehearsal. Menny explained it really well and covered many points of nuance. The method is very simple, and he has clearly been using it for a long time, as he has several tips and points that one comes up with when using an effect over and over again.


A London born street wise person and magician don't need punctuation to understand Bish bash bosh London style !!!!!!!
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WitchDocChris,

Not coming here to argue with you but for clarification. In Maven's approach, he cleverly gets to a place where an object (the black marble) is either in the possession of person A or person B. What was (at the time) a new and original strategy was his approach of simply asking one of the two to open his hand. If it was the black marble, Maven framed that outcome as if that was the intention all along: to instantly find the black marble. If the indicated person was holding the white marble, Maven then had every other person open and show their white marble - his alternative re-framing that made it appear as if he was intentionally saving the revelation of the black marble for last.

Not going to get into the particulars of Menny's commercial release, but as I own it, I know that this strategy plays no small part.
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On Feb 13, 2018, newguy wrote:


Not going to get into the particulars of Menny's commercial release, but as I own it, I know that this strategy plays no small part.


I've watched a few videos - so I may be mistaken - but...

1. you are absolutely correct

2. I was sure at the end in the credits Max is listed

I do like this

Do note [not sure about the USA] but if you are in England most Altoids boxes are not 'useable' for the 'system'

They may list the older photo design - but the stock they have is actually the new version box

Shame as the new version is 12 tins for £12 on Amazon

I got 12 tins [old tin that is useable] for £19 delivered

I think using a real brand is better - and Menny's 'system' for the boxes looks most deceptive

On a final note - I think starting with two boxes - and going up to 12... is much better presentationally [yeah I have some bits of scripting I like / feel married to - so may be biased now]

Otherwise you need to look/note at the start - and really they get a slightly strange choice...

If it's the 2 box start you can really let them choose anything and play around with them - then go completely blind
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On Feb 12, 2018, WitchDocChris wrote:
It's nothing like Kurotsuke.


It's exactly like Kurotsuke.
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It is similar to Kurotsuke, but not so similar that you could not perform both in the same performance.
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