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chrisontour
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Does anyone know the name or origin of this illusion?

https://youtu.be/jxcZngFXwuk
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It is a descendant of the Coin in the Ball of Yarn, first mentioned in 1843 in Crambrook's catalog where it is called "The Worsted Trick." It was first explained by Wyman in 1857 in The Magician's Own Book where it is called "The Dime in the Ball of Cotton". It has grown up to become a Cell Phone in a Ball of Yarn, but the basic effect is the same.

I have a Cell Phone to a Candy Filled Box in our Mini-Mysteries Book 3 on The Magic Nook, called the Holiday Candy Box, but Dan White has come up with his own method of performing the trick that can't be bought in any magic shop. Sleight of hand trumps ready-made one-size-fits-all props every time.
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Great information! Do you know the history of the box?
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Jim, I bet Chrisontour is referring to this trick https://youtu.be/E82xSJowCaI?t=6m34s and not the phone in the ball of yarn part.
Two entirely different tricks in one routine.
A bit vague question, though. Perhaps Chris should have been more specific. Smile
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When I taught science years ago, the box was not a magic trick, but part of a series of experiments in reasoning and psychology. It was just called a "black box test". Before that it may have been a bag. Students tried to determine what had been placed into a sealed box for the reasoning tests, and then feeling the object with one hand, they were shown how expectations influenced what they thought they were feeling.

Dan White's genius has been to combine a "black box test" with the Cell phone in the Ball of Yarn. Being a magician as well as a science teacher, I also used sleight of hand to change the final object into something totally unexpected. The sealed box was never opened, so students never found out if their reasoning about the object was correct. The unsealed box showed students that they couldn't trust their senses, but the magic trick was never explained. The whole point of the test was to show that scientists use tests to make guesses and in real life never find out if they have guessed correctly (such as guessing the configuration of atoms - we still don't know for sure if electrons whiz around a nucleus or not) and sometimes the outcome of science experiments produces results that seem like magic. I'm not giving away any magic secret here... just one of life's little secrets in the real world of science. Think of all the back and forth guessing going on over climate changes, for example.
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On Feb 2, 2018, jimgerrish wrote:
Dan White's genius has been to combine a "black box test" with the Cell phone in the Ball of Yarn.


Sorry Jim, Dan is unquestionably a clever magician but that box is not a "black box test" (or any other kind of experiment), nor is it his creation. This fine little illusion was developed by Hakan Varol and Harry Keaton and it is called Emotion Box.
http://www.hakan-varol.de/shop-english/r......-box.php
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I sit corrected (I never stand while I'm typing). However, that means I know a way to save about $800 USD by building my own box or using a paper bag to accomplish the same thing the way I did in science classes.
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I could not parse that explanation at all. It look me way too long to realize that 'audience' referred to a single person.

Oh well. He speaks English better than I speak German.
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Thanks for those details
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On Feb 2, 2018, Meng wrote:
This fine little illusion was developed by Hakan Varol and Harry Keaton and it is called Emotion Box.


Not totally correct. It is by Boretti and he called it "emotion box". That is the first inventor! ( https://www.stolina.de/borettis-gefuhlsbox.html )
It is also described in his book.

Afterwards there were several versions.
This one (with a bag instead of a box) did get the permission from Boretti: https://www.magic-factory-essen.de/spart......xer.html
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That's still steep - $312 USD for a paper bag version.
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Future Magic is selling the original Boretti version of the Emotion Box for 124 Euros.

https://www.future-magic.de/borettis-sen......N-9.html


Boretti was a childrens magic entertainer, I did not know that. Furture Magic has the rights to a number of Boretti's effects.

Can't find his book anywhere, DANG!
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Bill, my German's not that great but could this be it?

https://boretti-shop.info/And-so-on
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JoeLyons, That may be it, but it translates to Manuscript, not book. When Google translates the page, it lists the contents as:

Borettis DIN A 4 manuscript from 1995.
Contents: Hong Kong test, Schnuckis, card
stethoscope , parking disc, emotional box, gas mask, purse swindle, Schappi and others

Note that it lists Emotional Box.

It sells for 8 Euros, which is $8.97 U.S. Dollars. Of course exchange rates will apply for conversion.
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On Jul 30, 2019, jimgerrish wrote:
That's still steep - $312 USD for a paper bag version.


Yup, why pay the asking price to the originator (or the person who owns the rights to the effect) of an effect for his method and/or props when you can get it a lot cheaper off someone who has copied the idea and sells it for less? Or buy a copy from a cheap Chinese site? Smile
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