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warren Inner circle uk 4776 Posts 
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I think the classic C/S/B is a great visual effect however whilst doing some research in order to come up with a presentation for the effect I've noticed that many C/S/B routines and other similar routines ie 2 copper/1 silver etc all seem to suffer the same problem at least to me that is ie it's basically just a guessing game in which you continually win which can't be very nice for the spectators.
Another thing I've noticed is magicians actually referring to the effect by it's name which in my opinion is a mistake as it's then very easy for someone to find out how it's done by simply putting the name in google. I would be interested to know peoples thoughts ? |
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Danwseers New user 78 Posts
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The atomic coin routine that was linked in the other CSB thread avoids the guessing game presentation.
https://www.artofmagic.com/products/the-atomic-coin |
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On Feb 23, 2018, Danwseers wrote: Thanks for sharing I've never seen that routine before but that's an excellent use of that coin set 
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Ray Haining Inner circle Hot Springs, AR 1907 Posts
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The Atomic Coin routine looks good, but it lacks the visual of one coin in one hand and then two. The transposition of two coins with one is startling. There's been no challenge aspect when I've done the routine (Cody Fisher's).
Somebody (I don't recall who) put out a DVD of CSB routines that had a routine similar to The Atomic Coin. |
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tonsofquestions Inner circle 1904 Posts
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You can present it in lots of different ways, even if the visuals are the same.
- Challenge the spectators (a common one) - Story about watching a magician who kept challenging you (e.g. the way some triumph effects go) - Story about this amazing thing your <insert relative> used to do. (He'd put it over there, and then wow!) - Story about pseudo-science and quantum entanglement/sympathetic coins (similar to the above). And that's just the first four that come to mind first. I've seen a hopping halves done with all of these presentations, and they have very different feelings, even though the routining is otherwise basically the same between the three. You have lots of options, you're just limited by your imagination. |
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Tom G Inner circle SW Michigan 2865 Posts
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Jeremy Pei put out a DVD with different routines using a C/S/B set.
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Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5284 Posts
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Add Karl Hein to the mix "Catch Up" is a great routine
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Don't spend so much time trying not to die that you forget how to live - H's wife to H on CSI Miami (paraphrased).  
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Jerry Inner circle Some where in Florida 1511 Posts
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Poof-Daddy, I agree.
In addition, Karl address the purse issue and no table required. Just the best CSB routine. http://www.karlhein.com/product/hein-s-catch-up |
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warren Inner circle uk 4776 Posts
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Thanks for all the responses it's much appreciated
The issue I have with both Karl Hein's and Cody Fishers routines as good as they most likely are is that there is no proper demo and I'm not willing to part with my hard earned cash for something I can't see first. Also having watched a review by Jeff Stone Karl's advertisement for his routine is a little misleading as in he already has the coins in his hands at the beginning of the routine and its something he does when he does a call back to the table rather than being able to use it say as a middle routine. That isn't to say it isn't a good routine far from it. tonsofquestions like yourself I have thought of similar ways of presenting the routine however when I work on a new routine I like to see whats already out there in order to be inspired, the response from danwseers alone has made this thread well worth starting for me even though like others have said I feel the routine is more magical when 1 coin transposes with 2 completely different coins its nice to get a different perspective, the atomic coin routine also has a logical reason for going to the pocket. Thanks again each and every one of you for your comments they have all been interesting and have valid |
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David Neighbors V.I.P. aurora co. 4896 Posts
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I have A C.S.B. routine on my Coinjurer DVD from over 20 years ago!
And some work on it in a few of my Lecture notes! |
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warren Inner circle uk 4776 Posts
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I think I came across a 2 copper/1 silver routine credited to you Dave on a Bill Malone DVD which was performed as an international type coins across routine that was very good.
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tonsofquestions Inner circle 1904 Posts
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I agree it's always sad when there's no full routine for this one. Here's the rough flow of the routine, which I don't think gives anything in particular away.
Produce three silver coins, changing the last two into international coins. International 3-Fly A few transpositions/surprise appearances (e.g. under watch) Body Load the three coins on the spectator (e.g. shoulder) for a surprise finale. It's nicely done and flows well, though impact is certainly reduced watching it the second time because of the ending - whereas I (personally) feel like atomic coins would continue to be fun to watch repeatedly, though Catch Up is clearly stronger the first time. Tradeoffs, as always. |
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warren Inner circle uk 4776 Posts
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On Feb 24, 2018, tonsofquestions wrote: Thanks for the description that's very helpful, it certainly sounds interesting although the finish sounds as though it could be problematic as I remember the excellent coin magician Eric Jones doing a penguin lecture where he performed a routine that used body loading and not only did the coin fall off the spectator during the routine it also repeatedly fell off the spectator during the explanation. If that can happen to a world class coin man like Eric Jones I would personally prefer something more surefire, when you combine that with the fact you have to already have the coins in your hands ready to go in order to perform the routine makes this sound less that ideal for me personally. |
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Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5284 Posts
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On Feb 25, 2018, warren wrote: World Class - or just out of your first magic class - One must always remember "Stuff Happens". I don't think anything in life, much less magic is "surefire". "Experience" not "Avoidance" is what tells us how to deal with these type things when they happen.
Cancer Sux - It is time to find a Cure
Don't spend so much time trying not to die that you forget how to live - H's wife to H on CSI Miami (paraphrased).
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts
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Check out the version Joe Porper made with poker chips
  
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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Threecard Regular user Sunny Arizona 152 Posts
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On Feb 23, 2018, warren wrote: I too love this effect and think that Doc Eason is one of the best, check his DVD/download set from L & L and the "Gaffed Coins" set from LL EPUB. For more work on this check out "Bob Kohler Does Hospitality" vol 2, and Doug Brewers work on "The Unexpected Visitor 2". |
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David Neighbors V.I.P. aurora co. 4896 Posts
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On Feb 24, 2018, warren wrote: Hi Warren, Yea Bill ask Me If he could put it on there !
The Updated Handling Will be in the 2 th hard bound! As well as A stand - up No table Handling! |
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tonsofquestions Inner circle 1904 Posts
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On Feb 25, 2018, Threecard wrote: You mean Bob Kohler's "Bob Sheet's Does Hospitality", right? http://www.bobkohlermagic.com/products/h......tyc.html I always thought it was very confusingly labeled/published because of the names. |
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funsway Eternal Order old things in new ways - new things in old ways 10208 Posts
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Methinks many performers are limited by the instruction that came with a gaffed set, or the first performance they saw.
You have three coins that interact in a a special way. You can use sleight and methods from other coin effects -- honest, it is not illegal. I do a routine with a story about three school friends: one white kid, one Hispanic and one Chinese (Phil, Juan and Lee) everyone loves the story about kids trying to avoid getting a flu shot, and the mixed nationality gives a reason for the different coins It uses six different transportations between the hands, some of them standard C/S/B and others not. steps: 1) spectators select three coin from a basket, one silver, one brown and one gold - all the same size please. 2) the coins are identified and named 3) all three in the left hand - one jumps to the right 4) another jumps to the right 5) all three in the right hand 6) Phil sneaks back to the left hand, the others in the right 7) Phil is in the right and the others in the left 8) coins are return to the basket and others selected for a different effect My point is to quit thinking C/S/B as a limiting factor - just a seed of innovation
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warren Inner circle uk 4776 Posts
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On Feb 25, 2018, Threecard wrote: I have all 3 of those DVD's and whilst I like Doc I personally don't like his performance or routine for this effect, don't get me wrong I think Doc is great and his routine is used by many so there's obviously something to it. I did like Bob Sheets routine which would be even better if it was an instant, as for Doug Brewers routine I can't remember it or them so I'll have to have another look thanks for the reminder very helpful
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