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The effect is great (it's why I bought it...), the core method is fine. The issue I have is with the additional little extra method beyond them cutting to the predicted card (if you own this, you will know what I'm talking about). Maybe the quality of my "gimmicks" just were old or something because I can do a very simple overhand shuffle and very often it ruins the "setup". There is no way to know if the "setup" was ruined or not until it's too late and you get busted. THAT is my issue with this trick. I might have to remake some gimmicks. However I think that because of two two types of "gimmicks" used, they'll never properly work together. I hope those in the know will understand what I mean.
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I don't think I explained it right. I didn't mean a typical short card (corner short). I mean take one card and shorten both sides (then re-round corners). You'll cut to it just about every time or pretty much match Elsdon's hit rate.

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Why do I feel like I'm being charged $30 for a short card?


Short cards don't work like that. You have to know how to cut to it. The inverse, however....
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The effect is great (it's why I bought it...), the core method is fine. The issue I have is with the additional little extra method beyond them cutting to the predicted card (if you own this, you will know what I'm talking about). Maybe the quality of my "gimmicks" just were old or something because I can do a very simple overhand shuffle and very often it ruins the "setup". There is no way to know if the "setup" was ruined or not until it's too late and you get busted. THAT is my issue with this trick. I might have to remake some gimmicks. However I think that because of two two types of "gimmicks" used, they'll never properly work together. I hope those in the know will understand what I mean.


I made mine up with sf works brilliantly
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The effect is great (it's why I bought it...), the core method is fine. The issue I have is with the additional little extra method beyond them cutting to the predicted card (if you own this, you will know what I'm talking about). Maybe the quality of my "gimmicks" just were old or something because I can do a very simple overhand shuffle and very often it ruins the "setup". There is no way to know if the "setup" was ruined or not until it's too late and you get busted. THAT is my issue with this trick. I might have to remake some gimmicks. However I think that because of two two types of "gimmicks" used, they'll never properly work together. I hope those in the know will understand what I mean.


I made mine up with sf works brilliantly


That's good to hear but unfortunately I'd have to spend another $100 just to get this to work...
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Short cards don't work like that. You have to know how to cut to it. The inverse, however....


While I was working at Hollywood Magic, we had a wonderful precision cutter and corner rounder and would sometimes make custom cards for special customers. At one point we sold a "Blackstone Deck" which was under a deal the owner had with Harry Sr. which was simply a *** card in a deck. We finally stopped making them up as it took 2 cuts and 4 corner rounds for every other card in the deck which took forever to do for a $5 (at the time) deck... but they were great to play with!
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I don't think I explained it right. I didn't mean a typical short card (corner short). I mean take one card and shorten both sides (then re-round corners). You'll cut to it just about every time or pretty much match Elsdon's hit rate.


I see, I thought you mean where you just short the short sides. If you also short the long sides, it gets a little more reliable. Just the short sides though, you need to kind of 'flip' up or down to it. I think a br****** would work better. But it sounds like Elsdon's is better than either of those.
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I don't think I explained it right. I didn't mean a typical short card (corner short). I mean take one card and shorten both sides (then re-round corners). You'll cut to it just about every time or pretty much match Elsdon's hit rate.


I see, I thought you mean where you just short the short sides. If you also short the long sides, it gets a little more reliable. Just the short sides though, you need to kind of 'flip' up or down to it. I think a br****** would work better. But it sounds like Elsdon's is better than either of those.


So if heís referring to shorting all 4 sides then he didnít explain it very well the second time either. 😁
But simply saying ďboth sidesĒ is not specific enough to know which sides are being referred to. Could be both short sides, both long sides, a long and a short, or all 4.
Oh well, I guess weíve determined itís not simply a short card anyway, however it may be shortened.
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You are correct. I wasn't specific enough. What I've found (by making it myself) is that a card that has an equal small sliver removed from every side, with the corner's re-rounded to look like a card should, can be cut to virtually every time, from either the long or short side. I just shuffled and cut to it 10 times. The only time it didn't work is when the card randomly got shuffled almost to the bottom, in which case the deck was cut once and then the short card was cut to again. It's virtually automatic and I would venture to say, just a reliable as Mark claims his to be.

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I don't think I explained it right. I didn't mean a typical short card (corner short). I mean take one card and shorten both sides (then re-round corners). You'll cut to it just about every time or pretty much match Elsdon's hit rate.


I see, I thought you mean where you just short the short sides. If you also short the long sides, it gets a little more reliable. Just the short sides though, you need to kind of 'flip' up or down to it. I think a br****** would work better. But it sounds like Elsdon's is better than either of those.


So if heís referring to shorting all 4 sides then he didnít explain it very well the second time either. 😁
But simply saying ďboth sidesĒ is not specific enough to know which sides are being referred to. Could be both short sides, both long sides, a long and a short, or all 4.
Oh well, I guess weíve determined itís not simply a short card anyway, however it may be shortened.
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Thanks for clarifying. Good to know.
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Surely a card with all 4 sides even slightly shortened will be easily spotted,
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Not at all as a lot of bike decks have a few rogue bordered cards in them .
Once trimmed their borders look exactly the same size as the rest of the deck so they are never spotted by a layman imo Gaz 🙂
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Not at all as a lot of bike decks have a few rogue bordered cards in them .
Once trimmed their borders look exactly the same size as the rest of the deck so they are never spotted by a layman imo Gaz 🙂


Thatís not what I meant. If you put a card thatís been shortened on all 4sides in a deck, where ever that card is you will see it.
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Maybe if the deck is perfectly square, and if you know what to look for, but it's much less visible than you'd think. It only needs to be shortened a tiny bit to work. But if the deck is even a little mussed, it's totally invisible.

All 4 sides is kind of a misnomer though. You only need to trim one long side and one short one, and only about 1/32th of an inch or so. Cards are never perfectly centered, so you just trim the side that has a little more white border.

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Not at all as a lot of bike decks have a few rogue bordered cards in them .
Once trimmed their borders look exactly the same size as the rest of the deck so they are never spotted by a layman imo Gaz 🙂


Thatís not what I meant. If you put a card thatís been shortened on all 4sides in a deck, where ever that card is you will see it.

That's because we know it's there and looking for it. I darken mine with a pencil so I can tell where it's at. I also have a mark on the back to see that the card was cut to.
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I agree with the last two posts .
I often mark the edge with a pencil line too as itís very hard to spot otherwise and I have better than 20/20 vision .
I do Ben Earls Red Herring with it all the time and it kills Gaz 🙂
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I agree with the last two posts .
I often mark the edge with a pencil line too as itís very hard to spot otherwise and I have better than 20/20 vision .
I do Ben Earls Red Herring with it all the time and it kills Gaz 🙂


I'm... confused. Why would you need an edge-marked card for Red Herring?
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Because the final stage I like it to be able central it for an bang on cut . The pencil line tells me whether itís centralised or not , if itís not I cut the deck in the mixing process so it is about central . However itís anyway about 1/3 rd up or done either end I can still see it I can cut to it reliably Gaz 🙂
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Yeah, you're totally right on all four sides not needing to be done. Four sides was more for exaggerated emphasis, understanding, and proof of concept. The reality you described is better and the way it should be done.

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Maybe if the deck is perfectly square, and if you know what to look for, but it's much less visible than you'd think. It only needs to be shortened a tiny bit to work. But if the deck is even a little mussed, it's totally invisible.

All 4 sides is kind of a misnomer though. You only need to trim one long side and one short one, and only about 1/32th of an inch or so. Cards are never perfectly centered, so you just trim the side that has a little more white border.

I personally consider a paper cutter an corner punch an essential possession for any serious magician or mentalist.
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge.
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Because the final stage I like it to be able central it for an bang on cut . The pencil line tells me whether itís centralised or not , if itís not I cut the deck in the mixing process so it is about central . However itís anyway about 1/3 rd up or done either end I can still see it I can cut to it reliably Gaz 🙂


So in effect you are losing one of the strengths of the effect by handling the deck. I wonder how many people that are coming up with alternative ways of doing the effect actually have it
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Sorry Rowland I was talking off topic about the Red Herring effect . I do let the spectators cut in that by gauging where the card is , I say cut off about 1/3 , 1/2 or 2/3ís of the
deck . Itís only if the card is so near the top or the bottom I get get them to cut half and complete the cut . Yes they pretty much always do all the work unless I have picked the wrong spectator then I do it as itís only an extra kicker in the Red Herring effect anyway . Ben Earl actually cuts the deck himself on Red Herring , back on topic please Gaz 🙂
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