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I've been away from the Café for some time and maybe things have changed but I'm really surprised that no one seems to have made even a passing remark about Derren Brown's "Push" into the American consciousness with his Netflix debut. Last I was around here, all of us bemoaned that DB was such a hit in the UK, so why had he failed to connect with American audiences? Well, here he is, finally, getting a big showing in the US
and throughout the world. And no reaction?

Personally, I think "The Push" is probably his most mean-spirited special. I really cringed for what he put the participants through. But the product was stellar, as usual. What a showman.
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Not american, but in Germany he isn't very famous I think.

Sadly where I live we do not get much coverage, and if so it's short lived and occupies non-major programme slots. Like ten o'clock on a workday.

Stations seem to favor, Keith Barry, David Blaine, Dynamo, Chris Angel over Derren Brown I think. One of the Best things about the Chris Angel airings was the mentalist advisor in the background. I don't have Netflix, so I last time I saw him on local TV may have been 10 years ago. Rarely they push a local mentalist for a single event show, but that's it. Before the 'Next Mentalist' show, people here had never heard of such things I believe, and no one knows Derren I think, but I could be wrong.
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Actually, I like the fact that Derren is not known here in germany.

Regarding "The Push" - I also believe that they went a little too far, similar to "Apocalypse".
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I just took a quick look at how it's presented on Netflix.
And in all honesty, if I didn't knew Derren and what he did I'm not sure I would be intrigued enough to watch it.
It think the trailer is too slow and too serious. I am afraid this might get lost in the noise of weekly releases on Netflix.
I love Derren and his work but don't think that this is the best way to introduce him to a new audience.
Also the first reviews a partly negative because people think the experiment is too dark. And that might be a problem as well. If one didn't "grow up" with Derren and does not know where he started, this might be a difficult show to get on the train.
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On Mar 1, 2018, Alexxander wrote:
Actually, I like the fact that Derren is not known here in germany.

Regarding "The Push" - I also believe that they went a little too far, similar to "Apocalypse".


Why is that, I never understood the hate he gets. I like his stage persona, it creeps me out at times.

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... If one didn't "grow up" with Derren and does not know where he started, this might be a difficult show to get on the train.


He started dancing I think.
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On Mar 1, 2018, Alexxander wrote:
Actually, I like the fact that Derren is not known here in germany.

Regarding "The Push" - I also believe that they went a little too far, similar to "Apocalypse".


Why is that, I never understood the hate he gets. I like his stage persona, it creeps me out at times.

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... If one didn't "grow up" with Derren and does not know where he started, this might be a difficult show to get on the train.


He started dancing I think.


"Hate"?
What hate?
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I'm pretty sure he's got the sense to ignore the 'community'...
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A lot of people here have expressed vitriol for Derren Brown. Then again, there's vitriol for many successful performers. The magic scene reminds me very much of the punk scene - Performer's frequently lose a significant portion of their fan base when they become "successful".

I liked Pushed to the Edge when it came out originally. I am not sure if they edited it at all for a Netflix audience. Though Netflix certainly doesn't shirk away from darker material, I can't imagine they'd object too much to the original airing.

I believe the contract with Brown was three specials - two he's already filmed, and then a new one he just finished filming recently. I can't recall the other one that was already released, but I am certainly looking forward to something new from that team.
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Derren who?
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A lot of people here have expressed vitriol for Derren Brown. Then again, there's vitriol for many successful performers. The magic scene reminds me very much of the punk scene - Performer's frequently lose a significant portion of their fan base when they become "successful".

I liked Pushed to the Edge when it came out originally. I am not sure if they edited it at all for a Netflix audience. Though Netflix certainly doesn't shirk away from darker material, I can't imagine they'd object too much to the original airing.

I believe the contract with Brown was three specials - two he's already filmed, and then a new one he just finished filming recently. I can't recall the other one that was already released, but I am certainly looking forward to something new from that team.


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My favourite was the one where he went to America and did the mediumistic and dream box thing...

Others got a bit too self-help ISH for me...
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I always liked the first Darrin better myself. (Some of you won't get this, lol)
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"Hate"?
What hate?


Long time ago when he was all the craze with his tv show and everybody of the general public loved him, I gained the impression that lots of performers didn't share that love. They made comments which at least to me seemed a bit envy driven. It wasn't here however and it was a long time ago.
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So you join the Café and your first post is to pop in and tell us what we can and can not say?


Someone had to. Totaly worth the registration process...
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Last I was around here, all of us bemoaned that DB was such a hit in the UK, so why had he failed to connect with American audiences?


Sad to say, judging from the Netflix reviews, "connected" does not seem to be how the American audience seems to feel towards him. *shrug*
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Much of the highest reviewed content on Netflix has a darker tone, so this seems fit in that flow

If American audiences don’t track with him, I think there is an explanation aside from Iain’s scorching America bash (#harsh), which is this:

We, the mentalism community and the British viewers, have had the opportunity to see Derren as he grows and changes as a personality. We forgive, when we might think he has overstepped, because he has a great impish grin and is charming. He is loved by many. Here, viewers are immediately asked to consider the darker, less cheeky (and less smiling) version of him. He may be wiser, but possibly not as friendly (I mean the screen persona). We think of him as a longstanding television personality, an exceptional stage performer and a creator and author with a distinct voice. They have to make an abbreviated decision: insightful, but menacing?
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And he wasn't some aging fat dude in a leather waistcoat and a mullet, huffing and puffing over a woman and doing a card trick, claiming to be psychic...
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Derren Brown is awesome.

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Personally, I have been, and remain, a fan of Derren Brown for many years now.

Watched Push last night and while I enjoyed it a great deal, I did find myself feeling sorry for the unwitting participants. Especially the final three. The turmoil and anguish they experience is palpable and I can definitely see that putting some viewers off.

And then there's this: http://www.ladbible.com/entertainment/fi......20180302

Looking forward to the upcoming shows myself.

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