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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
We'll, they didn't say it would be resold. Again, not really a problem - but it's not been consistent, and we all know why really!
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4187 Posts |
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On Apr 30, 2018, IAIN wrote: Semantics they said they would sell exactly the same content and would continue to resell the same course periodically. As such does it really matter whether they re-film the exact same contend and resell or use pre-recorded material? The only time it would be a problem is if they used the original footage from the first run without openly stating that. Everyone that bought the lecture got exactly what they were expecting. They know upfront that the exact same course with the exact same material would be sold again and again in future. They got the live lecture they paid for with exactly the same content that was promised. It should matter little to them in what format the already promised re-runs of the course will take although if future courses included extra bonus routines they might be entitled to feel a little miffed. Those who get later runs of the same course need to know upfront if it is being reshot or if it is pre-recorded and as long as that is clear and upfront there is no foul. Mark |
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
Mark - for me, its really simple...
"hi, we're launching alakazam academy. Pre-order and you'll get access to the LIVE lecture, which will then appear in your account a couple of days later for you to download and keep. A month later the same lecture will be available to everyone at a higher price." job done... i would have still bought it, everyone would have still bought it.
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4187 Posts |
Iain that’s pretty much what they said save that dates of the reruns were subject to the availability of the lecturer etc. They did put is a disclaimer along the lines of due to the live nature the schedule is subject to change. Rerunning the same course monthly would not really be practical, I know I could not commit to every month and I’m not as busy as many of the lecturers.
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
It's been too murky and unclear, mark...otherwise there would be no threads on it!
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4187 Posts |
It’s crystal clear, there is one thread on the issue specifically and a mention in the Marc Paul thread by the person who started this thread. This by one of the usual suspects involved in many contentious or controversial threads. One or two people creating issues where they don’t exist is I agree too many threads but I don’t blame Alakazam for that.This whole thread is based on a mythical promise that was never made.
Whilst it isn’t possible to find any evidence whatsoever that Alakazam promised any exclusivity on these lectures, there is an abundance of evidence dating back far further than the Marc Paul lecture that the idea of the Academy is that each course will be periodically repeated. So far I believe that the John Carey course has been repeated, as has Jamie’s and I believe Liam Montiers has. However the trolls have certainly been well and truly fed and have achieved their goal of stirring up the brown stuff. Mark |
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michael640 Regular user 163 Posts |
Although I never purchased a course, I certainly got the impression from the advertising used that the courses were live events that would not be available for purchase after the event. ie exclusive to those that had pre booked tickets.
I do not think it is unreasonable for someone who attended one of these events to feel that they have been somewhat misled when the exact same *exclusive content is re-released. |
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TheGingerWizard Special user 733 Posts |
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On Apr 30, 2018, Michael640 wrote: A lot of people did, because that's exactly how they were sold. Again... https://youtu.be/0MdzolBIZZ8 Forward to 3.17 Dave says "However, you cannot buy it after the event." This is how they were all originally sold. That is a fact. Running them again is not the same thing, end of. Running them again, even twice a year still suggests a certain element of limitation. Having them permenantly available for purchase and download to all does not. They have cocked up (by their own admission) and that in itself is fair enough. It's the twisting of facts and changing the goal posts after the fact I don't like, although again to be fair this seems to be more from Alakazam supporters than Alakazam themselves so in trying to help they are doing the opposite. Jamie has lectured for them and Mark has had vlog dedicated to his work and been asked to lecture for them, its up to people to make up their own minds as to whether this suggests a bias or not. To try to brush it off as one or two trolls is nonsense. I do agree that no ammount of arguing will change anything now though. For some it will leave a bad taste for some it wont. Time to like it or lump it. |
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michael640 Regular user 163 Posts |
A very fair summary
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JackMagic Inner circle 1982 Posts |
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On Apr 30, 2018, Michael640 wrote: Looks like the facts are clear all Peter had to do is say look guys we made a mistake and that would have been the end of the matter instead of calling his mates to try and shield the issue All this when it's gone , it's gone does not cut the mustard with me Let's face it Penguin and Murphys have been doing the same thing for years, pre order or pick it up later ,I don't know why they needed to complicated things in the first place ! |
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bangustar New user 72 Posts |
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On Apr 30, 2018, JackMagic wrote: That is the essential question here and I am sure everybody can answer this easily. The keyword is "exclusivity". Let's be honest, every magician would like to keep some exclusive not wide spread tricks for their own, that's why many creators upsell their products with the title "exclusive", "limited", "buy it now or never". Some keep their promises of exclusivity e.g. the jerx or Peter Turner to name a few, but there are also many opposite examples (currently alakazam). Now everybody can answer the quoted question of why alakazam chose this trouble-making road. They justify this change of sales strategy with the amount of requests they received. In the same time they indirectly admit their fault without any apologies. Highest respect to the jerx, peter turner and the remaining honest creators, who stick to their promises even they were probably bombarded by tons of such requests to re-sale their exclusive stuff. |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
Exactly right bangustar as everybody would just use exclusivity or only 50 units etc etc will ever be made as a sales ploy . The limitation is making people make a quick decision giving creators a much more likely sale just incase the item doesn’t do great . They have guaranteed themselves X amount of dosh by luring people in with the advertising . If it then becomes a roaring success they then think sh.t and move the goal posts , so if that can continually go unchallenged in business they are on a win win and can never lose . I have no idea if any wrong doing has been done here by the way but Alakazam would still win anyway selling their future new courses and also keep the loyal guinea pigs
( for want of a better word ) happy but by just going straight for the double whammy is pure greed and morally wrong . Like I say I don’t own any of the courses and have great respect for the lecturers fighting their corner for them but the general point of exclusivity mentioned in the previous post is bang on the money in my honest opinion in any product in any business . I certainly haven’t heard many comments from non lecturers who are in support of Akakazam on this thread which tells its own story and it all seems to have gone rather quiet from the boys at their Ashford HQ 😉 , best wishes and refunds all round if this is the case , Tarik 🙂 |
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4187 Posts |
Actually there are approximately the same number of non lecturers in this thread in favour as against. Interestingly most of those in favour did actually but the lecture whilst most of those who seem to be making the most noise. For the record I paid full price for the lecture prior to the live event even though I was unable to watch it live.
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
What I meant Mark was that all the actual Alakazam lecturers are in a favour ie none of the Alakazam lecturers are up in arms about it 🙂
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4187 Posts |
Speaking as a customer I understood the nature of the academy going in based on prior posts and the CD that Alakazam we’re giving away at Blackpool. I had absolutely no belief that I was getting any exclusive material when I stumped up the cash, however even though I knew I wouldn’t be able to watch it live I wasn’t willing to wait for when Marc was available to run the course again.
Speaking as someone that may run an academy course in the future I would not give exclusive material at even close to that price and I’m no Marc Paul!! Mark |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
Mark as you know I couldn’t care less if it cost a £1000 . If I want something I will buy it irrespective of the cost so I am only talking about the ethical and moral issues on this type of scenario in magic . Like I say maybe Alakazam have done nothing morally wrong at all but reading the quotes etc and video clips from Dave and Peter it would seem that something certainly isn't quite tickety boo here . Also if it is all grand why are they not commenting or chiming in here as they both normally do when they are plugging their products ? Best wishes Gaz 🙂
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Peter Nardi Inner circle 2238 Posts |
Hi Guys,
I am open to all opinions and options. The Academy is evolving and for the better. I don’t often come on here and I don’t often post. So if you would like to make your feelings known please email me at sales@alakazam.co.uk also please include the Academy course order number you have attended in your email. Every email I have received has been in support of the change so it would be interesting to hear the reasons for keeping it as it is. Regards Peter Ps the Academy is a unique format and we will keep striving to make it .the best it can be. |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
Thanks Peter for coming on and at least putting hopefully an end to this thread , but I would say 2100 posts is hardly not coming on here very much lol 🙂
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Colin (C.J.) Special user 564 Posts |
It's ok to evolve the academy. No problem there.
It's not ok to go back on promises made to those customers who took the plunge based on limited availability. |
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Peter Nardi Inner circle 2238 Posts |
Hi Colin,
This is my last post on this thread. Feel free to email or in fact call me with your order number and I’ll be happy to discuss it you or anyone. Respectfully Peter Nardi |
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