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Fero Loyal user 294 Posts |
Looks like lately a lot of magicians puts out tricks bass’s on the same plot.
What s the difference between Chosen, Prophecy by Vallarino and One by Dobson??? Which one is the best? |
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
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On May 11, 2018, DavidKenney wrote: Thanks David. Sounds like this is a slightly more complex method than I had in mind in order to keep the gimmick out of the specs hands. Not sure it’s really necessary but could be a worthwhile improvement. The R/S, sticky stuff is still an issue though I believe and it appears the producer of this effect has bowed out of the discussion unfortunately. |
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Rizzo Inner circle East Coast 3346 Posts |
One by Wayne Dobson does not fall in this category at all. Actually, it’s based on a J Bannon effect.
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cardbiker Inner circle 1484 Posts |
The “creator “ describes it as diabolical if you have a can of SF and 5 minutes it’s the first thing you’d think of to do with the stuff
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Rizzo Inner circle East Coast 3346 Posts |
Interesting thing with this effect - the way I do it anyway ( assume it’s same as this release) is it is clean although as stated, not logical without a good presentation, a fairly easy fix. But you just need two cards altered and the deck does look good before, during and after the effect. I like it ( my way) but surprised at some of the ad claims. However, to be fair, Penn & Teller were fooled recently by a simple effect that most here still hype. So my ask is -is it is the presentation that ‘disturbs’ some here ? If it’s method then why are others including the fooling P&T ok - or lastly, does it all depend on who releases an effect ? Just some thoughts, not looking to debate. Actually just curious. Thx all.
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novasteeple Regular user 170 Posts |
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On May 15, 2018, Rizzo wrote: My only beef is with the need to put the selected card back in the deck only to immediately remove it again. If you're referring to Copycat by comparison, the necessary steps are motivated by exchanging decks between the magician and spectator, plus the "do as I do" and Bell aspects of the presentation provide a dimension to the routine that provides entertainment beyond the effect itself. |
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Rizzo Inner circle East Coast 3346 Posts |
Great points! I agree that it’s not logical to have card selected- cut into the deck then spread and removed. I do believe with the right motivation & presentation, it can work. Also agree with Copycat- great routining and entertaining effect.
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drstevemagic Loyal user Addicted to For Sale Forum so only have 265 Posts |
Anyone familiar with "The Known" by Thom Peterson (Penguin Download}? It seems to accomplish much the same effect without any gimmicks. Any comparison information would be appreciated. Thanks!
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
Yes known is a great self working effect based on a very old principle . Thom has added a great equivoque ( which again I’m sure is standard ) and made me realise how strong it plays to a lay audience . A dealing process is involved so it is very different but achieves a similar outcome . I think it’s on his amazing guy dvd possibly under another name but it’s the same effect , I hope that helps regards Tarik 🙂
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drstevemagic Loyal user Addicted to For Sale Forum so only have 265 Posts |
Thanks, Tarik. That certainly was helpful.
Steve |
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novasteeple Regular user 170 Posts |
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On May 15, 2018, drstevemagic wrote: Yes, in both Chosen and The Known, the spectator's selection matches a prediction. In both cases, the prediction isn't physically involved in the method -- you can use a stranger card, a written note, a photo on a phone, etc. In Chosen, a gimmick is necessary to achieve the match. In The Known, it can be a borrowed deck of regular cards. Neither effect allows the spectator to simply pull one card of the deck and be done with it, but The Known does a much better job of motivating the selection. It's also $5 cheaper, since it's only a download. |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
Yes I agree with the above post you have compared them very well a random any card selections they are not . A process is involved albeit a very good motivated one with Thoms effect . I forget the name but there is similar version as Thoms using a wallet and 2 selections with a circle in one and a square in the other which involves the same principle , best wishes Tarik 🙂
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Rizzo Inner circle East Coast 3346 Posts |
The addition of the circle /square was a nice touch to this very old effect.
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cardbiker Inner circle 1484 Posts |
Just to confirm something we all knew mines arrived and it is SF or Plasticote so despite what it’ says on the add copy it’s R&S principal
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cardbiker Inner circle 1484 Posts |
I see one dealer is describing it as shocking and amazing ???
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
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On May 15, 2018, cardbiker wrote: Well, I suppose that technically it is not R&S if going by true definition. But I agree that no dealer should ever try and get away with that use of linguistics. And I think to play dumb and try to claim that they thought it was a totally different thing is being disingenuous to say the least. |
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Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5313 Posts |
I am not by any means "defending" Titanas but he did change his signature a while back after some discussion about his involvement in everything he promotes to read --- "Product Developer @ Murphys Magic Supplies". <--- on the bottom of all his posts.
By the same token, I have learned enough thru the many posts on this forum to "Ignore" or at least "take with a grain of salt" ANYTHING that he is "EXCITED ABOUT". I consider the source and where his loyalties are (at his job - as anyone would). I also know several posters who I also ignore completely, and several more that put out what "I" consider - "Trusted Reviews". Your mileage may vary.
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
I would put my loyalty to magic before my job and I would rather lose my job than describe an effect which is poor and he must know the method on . Even he doesn’t know the method then I personally wouldn’t even advertise it but it’s his choice and his own reputation that has being tarnished . It doesn’t affect me in the slightest as I can see through all these effects through 40 plus years of experience but I feel sorry for the youngsters and also the new guys and girls coming into this wonderful art who potentially look up to him ( must of us have to as he is about 7ft tall lol ) , I certainly don’t ,very best wishes Tarik 🙂
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dyoung Special user 898 Posts |
As misleading at the ad may be, and how poorly justified the process is, in Titanas defense he didn't say he was excited about it. Merely made a product announcement
//Dan |
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novasteeple Regular user 170 Posts |
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On May 17, 2018, dyoung wrote: Yeah, why are we talking about the guy who posted a link to the product, instead of talking about the merits of the product? The original post only described it as a "new release." It didn't even say it was good. |
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