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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts 
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The difficult must become easy, the easy beautiful and the beautiful magical.
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3174 Posts
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Doug, just because you didn’t book a show on the spot doesn’t mean it wasn’t a success. You got your name out there and that was what you set out to do.
Next time you may want to consider doing just one simple trick inside the booth and then giving it away for free. Have it in an envelope with printed instructions which also has you show ad on it. For example I have used the two card monte as an advertising piece with great success. You can get em cheap by the gross. Clip card, or fortune telling fish is another cheap giveaway that can be used to promote yourself. Yes if you have Dean's Magic Dust, by all means use that. Tom
The Daycare Magician Book
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts
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I had considered the fortune telling fish, believe it or not. Never got to it, though, as I was so busy.
Do you reccomend a good, reliable source for those fish for next year? From your post, I take it you have heard of the invisible dust?
The difficult must become easy, the easy beautiful and the beautiful magical.
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3174 Posts
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On Jul 2, 2018, daffydoug wrote: Yes I know some that have used the invisible dust with great success. D.Robbins is a good wholesaler for the fish and magic slum items. But you can get the Fish on ebay for about $7 a gross. It is a great giveaway item and not just for magicians, I've used it for years in non magic business. Tom
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10618 Posts
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Very interesting in how this thread has turned to magic tricks for kids. Very surprising. Are you marketing to the kids or their parents? Seems some confused marketing targets at work here. Although this always seems to happen - magicians thinking its about the magic, when it is not in reality, especialy from a promotion and marketing perspective.
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3174 Posts
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On Jul 3, 2018, Mindpro wrote: I believe he said in his first post it was to be a very mixed audience with lots of kids. True the parents are the ones that write the check but don’t think for a minute that the kids don’t have to approve you first. Both must be sold. Odds are good that the kids that liked his performance/personality there will request him in the future. I took it that was his main goal this time. Tom
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10618 Posts
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Thanks Tom, but I don't need you to tell me how to market and book kids shows having done thousands of these bookings (not mention produced many of these community business expos). And performing magic tricks wasn't part of a single booking or marketing structure.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21263 Posts
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It is why I stopped asking questions.
The trap of doing tricks for the kids is easy to fall into. The idea that you "got your name out there" can be very seductive. It feels like success. It really does. But in the end success in this is measured in how many people pay for your show as a result of the effort. If you depend on kids somehow remembering your name and communicating that effectively to the parents I think that is a flawed model. And it is certainly NOT only $100 by the way. It is an investment of a weeks worth of your time plus prep. So the idea that it is only $100 is just not business like. But this is not my venture so if Doug sees it as success then I'm cool with that. The only problem with that is when you redefine success to mean anything you get is success it is hard to recognise real success and work toward it.
Danny Doyle
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3174 Posts
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Mindpro, I wasn’t trying to tell you what to do.
Just saying he said upfront there would be kids there and he would be doing magic. Tom
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3174 Posts
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Danny,
I agree “success is measured in how many people pay for your show as a result of the effort” BUT you don’t always see that result right away. Shows are often booked from seeing a previous performance and that can be a paid or free performance. Time means nothing if you’re just sitting on the couch waiting for the phone to ring. Better to be out promoting the business the best way you know how. Tom
The Daycare Magician Book
https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/amazekids/the-daycare-magician/ My Blog - https://boleware.blogspot.com/ |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21263 Posts
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Not really.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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55Hudson Special user Minneapolis 984 Posts
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Doug,
Big challenge with only you in the booth. You may what to hire an assistant that can collect information and take deposits while you focus on personal interaction. Regarding selling tricks, I don't recommend that. You've got your hands full now engaging with parents and kids - selling is yet one more activity, and a low-value one at that. I do sell stuff at events, but it is to promote my magic camps, not shows. It is difficult to make much money selling magic - how many brick-and-mortar shops are left? If you are promoting the shows, that's what you should be doing. Demonstrate you can entertain the kids, offer the incentive to make an on-the-spot commitment, collect information so you can follow up. You may even print up cards with a discount code that you can hand out - but collecing their information is always better. Think about planning the event with specific goals for next year. How many cards (or other promotional material) will you hand out? How many names, emails, phone numbers will you collect? How many deposits will you take? Set specific goals and actions that will help you achieve those goals. For all of this, do your backward planning. How many shows would be a success? How many prospects do you need to get that number of shows in the pipeline? How many booth visitors do you need for every qualified prospect. This thinking will help you plan future events. Now, I can't say that I always put the rigor into this that I should, but when I do, always get better results! Hudson |
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3174 Posts
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Well said Hudson. I agree, right now while everything is fresh on your mind is the best time to do your planning for next year.
Tom
The Daycare Magician Book
https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/amazekids/the-daycare-magician/ My Blog - https://boleware.blogspot.com/ |
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charliecheckers Inner circle 1969 Posts
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On Jul 3, 2018, Dannydoyle wrote: No one would agree that putting up 3 grand and walking away with no bookings is ok, so investing all that time and coming away with nothing tangible is even less desireable. This is why I recommended that my brother hire a coach who has experience in a broad spectrum of topics related to entertainment. I believed he would gain far more time back as a return on his investment. In the situation discussed here, more education on how to approach and maximize the time commitment would have likely lead to a far greater value on the time investment. |
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts
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Had a nice little thing happen to me yesterday. Got a call from a guy who is a major player in the theatre community here In this area.
He had seen my performance at the booth, gotten my name and # off my card and contacted me. He told me that he is wanting to produce a play that involves magic / illusions as part of the plot. But he has no knowledge of how to pull off whatever special effects he wishes to use. Totally in the dark as far as the secrets of magic. Hey, from watching me he thought I was pretty doggone good. So he asked me if I will partner up with him in writing, directing and creating magical illusions for the show. It's something I have actually dreamed of since many, many years ago here when they presented the "Wizard Of Oz"" on stage, and they had gotten another local magician to create the special effects. I was young in magic back then, so it didn't hurt my feelings as I was kind of green, still, since then, it's always been a dream of mine to create illusions for a stage play.
The difficult must become easy, the easy beautiful and the beautiful magical.
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3174 Posts
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Congratulations Doug.
Nope, you never know who you going to run into when you’re out there plugging away. And luck does seem to find the hard worker. Well Done, and good luck with it. Tom
The Daycare Magician Book
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10618 Posts
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Yes, even a broken clock is correct twice a day. Great general advice. There are plenty of hard workers that still struggle and yield little or no results. Hard work assures nothing. It is the proper, right and wise work that produces results.
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3174 Posts
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“Talent is cheaper than table salt. What separates the talented individual from the successful one is a lot of hard work.” ― Stephen King
Tom
The Daycare Magician Book
https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/amazekids/the-daycare-magician/ My Blog - https://boleware.blogspot.com/ |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21263 Posts
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Have you ever actually done this? Oh never mind I'm sure your qualified.
Danny Doyle
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts
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On Jul 4, 2018, TomBoleware wrote: NO, I think anyone will/can succeed if they are at the right place at the right time, in life and place. |
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