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Tielie
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I don't know if someone is being sarcastic, or showing off or just arrogant here. I was looking for reviews and tables of contents for "Phantoms Of The Cardtable" and this is a review someone wrote, I laughed because of it. Smile

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I would like to tell who ever might be interested in gambling to buy this book. This book is really a 10 on a scale of 1 - 5. I know this to be true because I've been a student of Walter Scott for over 13 years now and I'm the real thing. Next to Gazzo, I'm the best at this technique.

Steve Forte whose the best all around cheat in the country wrote in this book that he has never seen anyone do Walter Scotts punch deal in play until he met me. Since this book was already in the process of being published when he actually saw me do this technique, he couldn't change his statement.

I'm the only known gambler today who actually uses Walters technique in play. Don't get me wrong, other cheats do this move but they do not use Walter Scotts Punch or Technique.

So I said all that to say this, since I'm one of the top 10 cheats in the country and I'm living Walter Scotts life at the moment (as "The New Phantom of the Card Table)," you can take it from me, everything that he says about cheating and the life we live in this book is true.

I'm sorry to say that this book is so good and informative that I don't want you to buy it because of what I do for a living; but hey, it has to be told that this is an excellent and I mean excellent book. If you cheat, you want this book on your shelf as part of your gambling collection.

I'm going on record to date and saying that if anyone doesn't like this book after reading it and doesn't think that this is true, you don't know what real gambling is

D.O.C.

Dealer of Cards

The New "Phantom of the Card Table" Has Spoken


Do you guys think a real cheat would
a. know himself to be one of the best in the country
b. show off about it?
Deal cards, not drugs!
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Doc is absolutely the real thing. He's a funny guy, and no doubt you've caught him tooting his own horn a bit, but make no mistake, he's for real.

A few of us on this site have seen him work, and he does some things better than almost anyone else in the world.

Jason
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I have had correspondence with Doc (or Dice Or Cards, as I knew it) before. Now I've never seen him or met him, but he is very knowledgeable and has helped me out a lot. He used to post video clips of some of his moves - until some one downloaded them and posted them elsewhere, against his expressed wishes. They were very good moves. I'm convinced that he's exactly what he says he is. Why? Because of detailed advice that he's provided me with on things like 2nd deals, etc. I go back to those notes all the time.

Doc tells it exactly like he sees it, which sometimes leads to clashes on other web boards, but he always keeps things interesting, and always helps people out when he can by offering advice, notes, etc.

I haven't heard from him for a while, so I hope he's ok! I was just wondering if he'd pop back around on the 'net sometime soon. I hope he didn't get caught, though I doubt he did.

Among other things, Doc is certainly a unique person!

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One of the best in the world.

(I wish he'd stay away from magicians).

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(I think maybe you're getting your wish, George!)

He was good to magicians on some other boards and lists, but then someone stabbed him in the back by downloading some of his c__d de__ moves and posting them elsewhere. After he'd told people not to do so. Idiots. Haven't heard from him much since then.
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What is the book he is talking about?

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I read that too and thought it was a little strange to be honest. Is Walter Scott even still alive? If you guys know him, what region is he from...ie Pacific NW, Midwestern, etc..
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I won't tell you where Doc is from. He might not want people to know.

Walter Scott is not alive so it doesn't really matter where he was from because you won't find him anymore.

The book is "Phantoms of the Card Table" by Gazzo/Britland, not to be confused with the original "Phantom of the Card Table" penned by Eddie McGuire (sp?). Actually the title was mentioned in the first post...I'd recommend reading it in order to follow this thread accurately.

I cannot recommend this book enough (well both books).
tjo'
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Phantoms of the Card Table is a brilliant book, even without the techniques at the end.
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This book's on my huge "to buy" list Smile
But I thought it was kind of strange to see this.
I thought cheats didn't want to be known, this guy seems like searching for attention.
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I'm not doubting his credibility, just it was a very strange thing to see on the Amazon web site. I was thinking maybe he was a foreigner or from somewhere with a heavy accent like Texas or New England because of the wording of some of the sentences. The book was a very enjoyable read. I like reading about Vernon and it gave a lot of info about Vernon that I thought was interesting.
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He's an odd duck, that's for sure.
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Keep in mind that while you're probably correct about cheats not wanting to be known, do you know what Doc looks like? Do you know his real name? Do you know where he lives? He's still unknown to you and most people out there. Heck I've had correspondence with him several times and I still don't know what he looks like. I *think* I know his real name but who can be sure?
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So I take it that his glowing comments on his own skills are being said a bit tounge-in-cheek? Or is this guy really bragging? Having the skills is one thing, letting everyone know you have the skills is another... and letting everyone know you have the skills GRACEFULLY is even more! Just wondering.
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As a working cheater just how often do you get to bask in any kind of glory for your success? You would wind up dead most likely. Some stray post on the Internet seems like a good way to "toot your own horn" a bit as it were in relative safety. Besides, DOC only claims to be one of the ten best so that leaves room for many other great unknown cheats to join him at the world championships of card cheating.
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True or not - Bragging or not -

Now I HAVE to get that book!

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Either way the guy is a cheat and being a cheat doesn't lend credibility to his word and specificially to his review of a book. If he wants to hide in the shadows, then that's fine but until he's credible, his words are just a spiel from a used car saleman.
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Mmmmm, a credible cheat. Now there's one I gotta see.

His review made me laugh, and if people are backing up that he has the moves then good for him.

Btw. I made number 14 on the top 10 pokemon cheat all timers.
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Do you guys think a real cheat would
a. know himself to be one of the best in the country
b. show off about it?


Probably only if he is about to retire from the cheating business or being convinced that he is 'The New Phantom of the Card Table' — his identity not being revealed to the public. That is, the public will neither identify him nor get a chance to perceive that they have been fleeced by 'the phantom' when they played a little game of poker.

Given D.O.C. is about to retire, he might write a book about his expertise and experiences from the world of cheating or do some consulting business in the casino world.
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It's a nice literary pose.

Much like Mrs Mary Shelly wrote 'Frankenstein' under as Anonymous.

As to the veracity of ANY competent cheat writing ANYTHING about what they do... please... that is just too funny. Have you noticed that even the reformed hackers never write about exactly how their old code worked, and instead just use vague metaphors like 'virus' and 'trojan' and 'worm'. So it is, and so it was. The folks who write exposes are almost always wannabes. Not that what they write is anything less than entertaining and perhaps thought provoking... just less than exact and accurate in terms of how the stuff REALLY happens.

So, who else suspects 'expert at the card table' was written by a temperance leader writing from notes taken from confessions of broken gamblers?
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