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Samuel Special user Norway 831 Posts |
Well, he'd probably not get the opportunity to answer on the latest post if he was imprisoned or burried.
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Unknown419 Inner circle 1321 Posts |
I'm not buried nor imprisoned. I almost got arrested while WALKING WHILE BLACK in Asheville N.C. to get something to eat at night.
News Flash I just heard that two of my hustling partners on Memorial Day weekend in Florida got knocked out. One of my two friends were leaking while playing dice, and a known boxer knocked him right out and security beat up the other guy breaking his jaw. I'll be partying with Allen Iverson this Thursday at a Ludicrus party in ATL. I hope that I can get some gambling on. Second Deal Failure I caught a hanger doing a second deal and the guy said take the cards back and I did. He said that he was going to watch me, and I continued doing seconds and robbed him anyway. More updates will follow. Doc |
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T. Joseph O'Malley Inner circle Canada 1937 Posts |
Doc, good to hear you pop in here!
I like when you write stuff like that seconds story, because not only do you tell us about your wins and skills, but also about when mistakes or accidents might happen to you. Telling it like it is (or was). Be careful with yourself. Tristan O'
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Richard Lucas Special user TX fornow- MemberMagicCastle'65-'88 737 Posts |
Please tell me how I can view the videos I feel left out.
"The only difference between a Card Cheat and a Magician is that the Magician shows off.".......... Jay Ose 1965
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J.Manninen New user 14 Posts |
Get Quicktime player.
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slakk New user 100 Posts |
I know four people with new powerful computers who have Quicktime and cannot view the videos. Doc's instructions were followed to no avail. Any suggestions?
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Samuel Special user Norway 831 Posts |
Try getting the newest version of Quicktime.
Samuel
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slakk New user 100 Posts |
Samuel, ff course we tried that. Thanks.
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Unknown419 Inner circle 1321 Posts |
If you have Yahoo, just go here
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c_N_c/files/ Doc's Dice Switch Stop Living In A Dream World Regarding my dealing moves and techniques, it has been stated more than once to me in PM’s that my deals, etc., don’t show its best angle or that they expected my moves to have looked much better. Question. What are you really looking for? Are you looking for all flawless moves by one individual? If you are, then you’re living in a dream world. Can you show me a magician that does all flawless moves? My goal is not to impress you as an ultimate cardsharp. My goal is to fool laymen and get the money. Magicians have gotten tired of fooling the public and want to be so great that they want to fool the magicians as well. This may be your ultimate goal but the public doesn’t care about these specific techniques, etc. That ya’ll are here talking about, all they care about is if the trick was a good trick, nothing more, nothing less. I said all that to say this, you’re taking this same wrong viewpoint and trying to apply it to card or dice cheats as well and it’s wrong. This may be a good ultimate goal for us, but our public doesn’t suppose to know that we’re doing anything anyway, so why should we have to try to impress anyone at all especially you? Many should just stop, think and ask themselves “What am I really looking for to see in a cheat?” What is it that I expect from him? Should I keep on expecting miracles from them or just treat them as an average card manipulator that has his or her own specialties? Wasn’t Doc fooled into believing this same thing, and this is why he practiced to try and learn everything and now he’s trying to teach us now to fall into this same trap? None of you can give a gambling demonstration better than I, because I have real stories to tell behind my moves and this is what really captivates an audience besides the actual moves. I can demonstrate to magicians as well telling them things that relates to them while teaching and showing them at the same time. I may not be better, but I sure can make my presence spellbinding where the individuals would want me to come back just like many want me to come back here. Specialties Didn’t Allen Kennedy have his specialty, Dad Steven’s his, Walter Scott his, State Street Eddy his and so on and so on? Were they proficient at everything or just some things? They were proficient at the things that they needed in order to get the money and likewise so am I. I’m proficient at Walter Scott’s Punch deal, my punch work, my dice switch and my cold deck moves. Everything else I’m even with everybody else here at the forum who’s doing their moves proficient enough to show. For the record, the best ultimate card manipulator I know of at this moment in history is Steve Forte; he’s the Michael Jordan of gambling moves and everybody else like myself are Kobe’s and Vince Carter’s. We all have our specialties, and dealing bottoms and middles are not mine even though I will run rings around many who would try to compare theirs to mine especially in a real game. Critiquing Correctly I will not tell you to stop sitting back and judging moves, but I will ask you to stop sitting back and judging what it’s suppose to look like when you can’t do it yourself. Correct all the mistakes that you see every bottom or middle dealer do and then perfect it to that ultimate level that you’re looking for and then judge it. Note: Remember while judging a move that there is NO PERFECT COUNTERFEIT TO THE REAL THING. The fake may look excellent at certain angles, but it can never look like the original if carefully examined. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A FLAW. If you think a thumb that doesn’t move when doing a bottom deal while pushing off a top card is correct, you are sadly mistaken but that doesn’t mean that the move can’t be done that way. If you see a finger or knuckle flash while someone is doing a bottom deal it does not mean that that individual can’t do a bottom deal; you’ve just probably seen a better variant and now you’re judging his move according to that standard. Laymen have nothing to judge by nor do they know what to look for. Always remember that a standard to a hustler is what gets the money nothing more, nothing less. Doing a better bottom deal or middle deal may raise eyebrows to most magicians but to a cheat all he wants to know is “can the move get the money, that’s all I wanna know, can the move get the money? Us cheats don’t sit around like the magician’s do and critique a move to death. Our job is to try to solve the problem and get the money, and if we do get it, that means that our performance was good enough or passable enough for that particular show (game). If the show was excellent, we may get a repeat performance (play with them again), if not, just get back on the road and find another game. Oh and one more thing, the word professional only means that you’re getting paid for what you’re doing and the amateur is not. A bum who can’t do cheating moves well but gets paid is a real professional; an expert who can cheat but can’t get a game is nothing more than an amateur because he’s not getting paid even though he possess great ability. Bottom line, I’m the bum and the amateur. Your Friend, Doc |
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Richard Lucas Special user TX fornow- MemberMagicCastle'65-'88 737 Posts |
Will someone PLEASE HELP me with the videos. I am unable to view them. I keep getting the following error message:
"The data that plugin requested, did not download successfully." What can I do to correct this? Please help me. Thanks.
"The only difference between a Card Cheat and a Magician is that the Magician shows off.".......... Jay Ose 1965
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T. Joseph O'Malley Inner circle Canada 1937 Posts |
Hi Richard,
I know this has been stated here, but the only advice I can offer is to download the lastest version of Quicktime, and then right click on Doc's videos and save them to your desktop or somewhere else. Then try to open them with Quicktime. I myself cannot open them from the site. I got a similar error. Get the latest version of Quicktime, right click and save the video to your PC, then attempt to open it by right-clicking and choosing to open with Quicktime. I hope this works for you.
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Yiannis Veteran user Chicago USA 349 Posts |
Dear Doc,
I've been following your posts for a long time. Not only in this forum, but also in the afore-mentioned yahoo group c_N_c. I've been involved in magic for almost 5 years now. The thing that got me started in card magic, was the movie "Sting", where some gambling moves are demonstrated by John Scarne. They looked so incredible, specially the cold deck move which happened during a straight cut and the shirt hold-out exchange of Paul Newman's. As a result I started buying everything I could find on card magic and gambling. Steve's videos, Darwin's books and video's, Wimhurst's video, most of Marlo's stuff and Vernon's, etc... When I first read your posts, I thought you were one of those cocky, know-it-all card experts, wannabe card cheats. Only after a carefully reading of your long posts and the praise of well known magicians, I realized that you are the real thing. From that point on I follow and record your every post. I find in these posts the wisdom of a rare combination of an expert card manipulator and real life gambler. This exchange of information about the techniques and insides of your life as a gambler, that you give the magic community in this forum and everywhere else, is a life time opportunity for an interaction with a character that you read about but never meet in real life. Vernon spent his life searching such characters, travelling around, waisting time and money. And now thanks to modern technology the new generation of magicians have the opportunity that their predecessors didn't have. There are expert card manipulators out there who have build their reputation on gambling sleights and stratagems, but none of them can give your inside. That's why I find your thoughts and advices invaluable. I missed the videos that you had published on the c_N_c forum, but I had the pleasure of seeing the ones you have currently uploaded at cyngaporemagic. It's one thing to know that this person can do the move, and another to actually witness his technique. Many would say, seeing is believing, but they get disappointed when they don't see what they expect to see. Like, in a previous post, someone criticized your bottom deal for not being as good as your other techniques. Even though I have the same opinion, this was a magician's evaluation of a sleight, just for the sake of the technique. In my opinion, the technique should be judged inside the context it was made to exist and from people who can perform it inside this environment. Most magicians miss this point all together. As Scott would say, they look only for the techniques. And they expect flawless execution of every technique from a real life cheat, which would fool them. Walter Scott in the Gazzo's book said that: -"No matter how many things you can do at the card table, they're easy to see if you're looking for them". I don't take his opinion as a gospel, but says something important about technique. As you say in your post, there is no perfect counterfeit to the real thing. How true!! Closing this post, I would like to praise your handling of the middle deal and your ingenious solution for the hop (Erdnase ever failing attempt is closing to an end (?)). From your expertise on these two techniques, I can see that you have spend a considerable amount of time perfecting these techniques to meet the requirements of the gaming table. That is, being as close to the handling of a lay person, as possible. No funny grips and takes... I can see also, that you have probably perfected and worked on both these techniques, because there is time when certain techniques won't work under certain conditions around the table and that you should have other alternatives. I guess you would use the middle deal, if other players were looking while you were restoring the cut. And something I noticed in your videos, for the first time ever. Broken rhythm in false dealing!!! Most magicians are unaware about this in real life gambling. Someone criticized this in a previous post as a telltale (at first glance I did the same), and he did because of the preconceived notions that most magicians have about what these movements should look in a game. Your posts and videos, have been an eye-opener for me. A wealth of information never to be found elsewhere. With respect, Yiannis |
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Vasilis Regular user Greece 146 Posts |
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____________________________________________ ____________________________________________ You could try this,sir. E-mail somebody who has already downloaded and watched the clips to send them to you via e-mail. Maybe not all of them from the beginning, just maybe one to test if that solution works for you. It seems that the whole problem you have is not the Quick Time viewer but something with the downloadable datas. Although I haven't watched the clips, I hope this will be some help for you. Anyway, try it. You have nothing to lose. Be well, Vasilis |
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lchemist New user 63 Posts |
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On 2004-07-17 16:33, Richard Lucas wrote: Richard: Try to do this: 1 - Open Quicktime. 2 - With your Browser go to http://cyngaporemagic.com/doc/ keeping Quicktime open. 3 - Right click on the video you like to watch. Click on copy shortcut. 4 - Go to Quicktime, go to File, go to Open URL. 5 - Paste (CTRL V) on the window and click OK. 6 - When the video has been downloaded you may or may not need to press play. (The big right pointing arrow under the Quicktime screen) I hope this will help you. Luis |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Regarding false dealing at the card table.
Despite what we see from the magicians demonstrating cheating at cards and what is seen at the movies, it is my humble opinion that false dealing could well be the rarest of all moves used by the expert at the card table. This would include those who are expert false dealers I think I can deal seconds as well as any other expert but it would be low on my list of choices of moves at the card table. The reason is that false dealing can go wrong no matter how good you are and when it does it can be clear what you have tried to do. False shuffling is the better option as this can go wrong without exposing you as a cheat. Deck or card switching marked cards false dealing are high risk and could result in a short career and short fingers. Good luck to them who take these risks but I advise not to take unnecessary ones. Self-esteem and ego is a luxury that the expert at the card table cannot afford. He should be content with getting the money with the least risk rather than being proud of his skill. If I were a cheat my bottom line would be to ask if this move went wrong could I get away with it? If the answer was yes it would be a good move if not it would be a bad move. I am aware that you can careful yourself out of crossing the road but there are safer ways to get the money at the card table than those which are most talked about here. These are less skilful, more boring and give an edge rather than a certainty and as I personally do not like to be run over, I would rather use the crossing than dash across the road.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Unknown419 Inner circle 1321 Posts |
Yiannis that was an excellent post, thanks a lot for writing it. I would write more but I'm on the road at the moment and I'm typing from my Treo Cell Phone.
Thanks for following this thread. Your New Friend Doc Tommy thanks for writing that post. I agree and I disagree with you on somethings but over all, I definately agree with you with using the basics and gaining an edge. Most hustlers that I know use your advice mainly because they don't possess dealing skills but they still win the money most of the time so this advice is valuable. Now regarding using a second deal at minimum would not be to my advantage while playing Tonk, Black Jack or Rummy. Readers of this post take both of our information and use it accordingly to your advantage and to your situation. Every hustler uses what they feel best works for them therefore, likewise do the same for yourself. Your Friend Doc |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Thanks Doc
I do not dispute your fine advice or what you do. I just think that you are an exception to most experts at the table in the methods you use. On another point. Second Dealing Cards. I have just got some cards "Copag 100% plastics" casino cards and they are the best cards I have seen for second dealing. Rough back but smooth face, they slide out a treat. The rough back gives a nice grip for the take. No border on the backs. As good a quality as Kems and half the price. They are wider than standard but I have found them to fit the hand for the master grip very well. They are large index which is also good for the Erdnase riffle peek. http://www.copag.com.br/ingles/f_linha_prod.htm Click export plastic poker size.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Yiannis Veteran user Chicago USA 349 Posts |
It seems that, advanced and difficult techniques to master like false dealing are risk high and less demanding techniques like false shuffling are risk low. There is a price to pay though for every choise that you make. As Doc says, you can get the money "sometimes" when you use less than advanced techniques. I believe that if you want to win big money, you have to have the will to take the risk to use something potentially dangerous. That's why, not everybody is made for this kind of play. You don't risk, you don't gain. You can win something with safe playing, but not nearly the same.
In my opinion, an accomplished card mechanic will use his arsenal wiselly, according to the gaming environment and conditions. For example, if the deck becomes too sticky during play to false deal smoothly and there is a big pot to win if you deal a round of seconds, you have to make a decision. Either risk caughting a hanger, the same that happened to Doc the other day, or play it safe and lose the money (and live longer, incase you choose to false deal and fail). As Vernon would say, use your brain |
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slakk New user 100 Posts |
Who is "State Street Eddy"?
How did you do at the celebrity party? Do you sell your punch or can you tell me how to make one? I read how to make one in the Scott book, but maybe you could be more specific as to what works best. |
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Unknown419 Inner circle 1321 Posts |
Slakk regarding the celebrity party, I did nothing but party. Everything regarding gambling is not just gambling, it's getting people to like you and to invite you to places where they are and then in the interim when gambling is presented, that's when the show begins.
State Street Eddy was a guy that dealt from the light/Shiner. Read and buy more books. Do I sell my punch? No. Do you think that I want ya'll b***holes messing up an excellent move or trying to sell it to try to gain status? Didn't you read my review of the book? I said I didn't want it out so what is it that you don't understand? I told you that my review statement went much deeper then you could have imagined this is why you must read between the lines and then go back and read between the lines again when your knowledge of the hustling game has improved. The Punch Answer Continued - The Phantoms of the Card Table book has been out before I was born and if you haven't tried to learn from that book as of yet, then you are not definately interested in learning how to use it nor make it. Note: This observation was proven to me when no one at the forum asked me questions when I posted the post regarding it and a dead man don't tell tales. Your Friend Doc Was Walter Scott A Fraud? Wow I just read that my teacher was a fraud! Is this some type of trick statement to get me back talking at this forum or what? If it is, it’s a great ploy that worked. My friend who’s one of the best card manipulators I know just called my punch deal teacher, Walter Scott a fraud. What can I say of this reasoning? How am I to speak? Students what are you to believe regarding this well-known manipulator’s statement? Stop what you’re doing and ask your self some questions before going on and then evaluate your deductions and see what conclusions you come up with before you read my questions? 1. The first question you should be asking yourself is even though George is a well-known card manipulator of gambling moves; does he really gamble for a living to be able to make such a statement? 2. Did he ever meet Walter Scott and spoke to him personally to know if he was a fraud? 3. Why would Gazzo go to such an extreme to meet a man like Walter Scott only to write a book telling his readers a lie? 4. Is there really a conspiracy regarding gambling moves that some people don’t want you to know? 5. Why would Walter Scott a 98 year old hustler who quit gambling tell Gazzo to just tell the truth and don’t lie about me? 6. Why would Doc lie about Walter Scott’s book and then be recommended by well-known gambling magicians as having the smallest known punch mark to date if he was a liar? 7. Why did Doc write in a previous post “Why Am I Broke” and tell us Walter Scott explained it best why he was broke?” 8. Why did Doc write a review testifying to the credibility of this book and not wanting people to buy it and then also state before there ever was a thread that “that everything that Walter says about cheating and the life we live in this book is true…and that this book is so informative that he don’t want you to buy it… while also stating that “if anyone don’t think that this (book) is true, you don’t know what real gambling is and you don’t know what you’re talking about? 9. Is what Doc told us about magicians lying to us trying to keep a status all in well true? 10. Am I a butt-head for reading Doc’s post and believing him and now without words even though it wasn’t stated that he is considered a liar and a fraud right along with Walter Scott or did the writer really make an honest mistake like he said? I will not answer these questions for you to subliminally brainwash you into thinking what I want you to think so now is an excellent time to read between the lines of my post and come up with your own conclusion to who is right and to whom is wrong. What Happened Yesterday (Yester-year) Happened Today (In Our Time) “…he only had to fool a handful of half-smart old duffers in New York. He didn’t pull the wool over Miller’s eyes….” I’ve handled a deck of Scott’s cards and the work is nothing special. Doc what are you talking about? Did you show a handful of major magicians your moves like Walter Scott did in his day and being that you read what happened to Scott is why you posted your videos to avoid them being stolen etc.? Yes and I wrote about this in a previous post. Note: Didn’t I tell you that you have to re-read post sometimes to get a better understanding? So do it. Readers, I showed my moves to more than a handful of half-smart old and young duffers in my quest to meet Steve Forte and my punch work just like Scott’s is nothing special either to a person who knows what to look for even though my work maybe finer. You have to realize one thing and I hope I’m not giving away my secret to a smaller punch, the technology of today is much better than it was in Walter’s time and this is the ONLY REASON WHY MY WORK MAY LOOK A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN HIS. IN HIS TIME, HIS WORK WAS THE FINEST MADE UNTIL THE 1990’S. A Note To My Christian Magicians In The Lord What you’ve just read here is almost like the same problem that God is having with saving His sinners from destruction, they are being misled by a deceiver. The deceiver only has to make one statement like Satan did “you will NOT surely die and lead many astray.” Read my post (THE WARNING SIGNS!) and the downfalls of my lifestyle and learn from it and go in another direction. God would tell you that, “my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge” this means in street terms read between the line butt-heads you have to study to show yourself approved to make it as a great cardsharp, a great magician or to make it to heaven. God did not write 1 thread with 12 pages like I did explaining how he doesn’t want you to die in your sins, He had 66 books written to guide and to instruct you in so use it or else suffer the consequences like a cheat who got caught holding out a card with gangsters. Even though I’m here just planting seeds because something has to grow sooner or later, this is why God had different authors from different backgrounds to write his bible, He wanted different points of view expressing the same truth in order to get you to read about Him. This is why I CAN’T LET ANYONE DECEIVE YOU NO MATTER HOW CLOSE OF A FRIEND THEY MAY BE TO ME KNOWINGLY OR UNKNOWINGLY BECAUSE WHEN THIS WORLD COMES TO THE END I WILL HAVE TO STAND ALONE FOR MY ACTIONS AS A STEWARD BEFORE GOD AND I WANT TO MAKE IT IN. So on that note I will repeat myself, I’m back from the dead because whoever tries to lead my students to their death before they give their heart to God either knowingly or unknowingly have to answer to Docholiday until my students know how to discern right gambling moves and wisdom from the wrong. Students one more thing before I go, combine the WISDOM AND TEACHINGS of “The Expert at the Card Table” with Walter Scott’s “The Phantoms of the Card Table” if you’re going to choose this degradation lifestyle. You’ll live much longer using his advice than you would by not using it because of wrong evaluations and thinking that Walter was a fraud and not to be believed. Your Friend and Still Teacher Docholiday P.S. To All Whom This May Concern. My friendship to everyone I know is sincere but my first duty is to God in my own weird wrong way. I MUST LET ALL OF GOD’S CANDIDATES KNOW THAT HE WANTS THEM IN HEAVEN WITH HIM. IF GOD GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTON SON IN ORDER FOR YOU TO BE WITH HIM IT’S DEFINTELY NOT A PROBLEM FOR HIM TO SEND A NUTCASE LIKE DOC TO THE CHRISTIAN MAGICIANS OR WANNA-BE HUSTLER’S TO RESCUE THEM BEFORE THEY GO INTO THIS FIELD. MAY GOD BLESS |
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