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KARDMECHANIC
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After reading your post I went back to viewing the videos and realize that even the most informed person WILL NOT detect the switches. If it weren't for their color changing I wouldn't have believed that they were actually being exchanged for another deck. The switches are made fluently and naturally, demonstrating the years of hard work that Doc has gone through to become the best in this field.

In my opinion the best two switches in the new clips was the one in the first video where the deck is placed before him lengthwise and the first switch on the second video were the deck is place in front of him endwise. These are my favorite because they look the most natural and because Doc can switch in a cooler even with the deck placed in different positions. Anyway, Doc's cold deck switches are excellent.
What do you mean it came from the bottom of the deck?
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A way to guard against cold deck moves is to mark the faces of the cards just prior to the playing session. You can do this by hand, simply initialing each card, or more quickly by using a number stamp, creating an extemporanious number for each session of play.

Most people are not paranoid enough to go through such efforts.
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Tonto: what you don't seem to realise is that now, you are looking for the move to happen, and you know what is gonna happen.
When you are in play, you won't be looking for this stuff every second and the moment you even begin to think you saw something, you're already conned.
I think this moves would fly by everybody, and if this was the worst angle, I almost know for sure Smile
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For all of you who wrote me and gave me compliments on my cold deck moves thank you.

I Have Better Cold Deck Switches

Iím sorry that I couldnít show yaíll my best cold deck switches or the ones that go up my sleeve etc. because as I said before, going frame per frame would expose it; but if you see me anywhere and ask me to do it for you and I have on my gambling outfit, Iíd be more then happy to demo some moves but only once will I do it for you.

Note: I have other cold deck moves that were shown to me by Steve that is not on his GPS videos, but Iím not allowed by a code of silence to show any of his moves; as a matter of fact nor of anyone elseís that I know. If they want you to know theyíll show you; besides if you want to see or learn million dollar moves then pay a million dollars to learn it and get your million back off of the next guy that wants to learn it.

Million Dollar Moves?

Did you see how much money Jamie Foxx lost in the movie Shade by just one cold deck move? Well your income will be based upon the status of your playerís income. If they are millionaires you will be too, if they are poor you could still live a $150 to 300,000.00 a year lifestyle (no taxes).

Viewers of My Cold Deck Moves

Those viewing my moves should note that yaíll are looking at video clips 1 and 4. I did not post some of my best ones (clips 2, 3 & 5) that I showed Steve, Rod and Sal for fear of yaíll learning them and exposing the moves.

Doc that reason is okay but is there another? Yes. My other cold deck moves are more astonishing, at least to me then the ones that youíve just looked at but if someone who was interested in learning them and demonstrating them went frame per frame they could eventually learn how to do them and this is something that I donít want out. This is why I demonstrated cold deck moves in which are already out.

The Deck Switches that I Performed

The first deck switch I performed is what the expert black hustlerís use in games. The second deck switch I showed is from Steve Fortes 4-Part GPS/The Movie Shade and the 3rd deck switch is from the movie The Sting in which it was demonstrated by John Scarne.Ē The 4th deck switch is only 1 of many that I made up.

Note 1: Regarding the movie Shade. I know that the cold deck portion of this movie was to show what was actually done to Jamie but I would like to say something to my viewers regarding a certain segment.

Even though Paul and I both do the exact same cold deck switch that Steve Forte does on his GPS, never ever rest your hand on top of your other hand in view of a whole table of players to see unless you donít want to live to tell about it.

Leaving your hand in view for all to see a full deck of cards peeking out from whatever angle of your hand after you cold deck is definitely a no, no. The hand that is holding out the switched deck always go to the edge of the table in a relaxed position like you see me or Steve doing in our videos or what Scarne did in The Sting.

Bottom Line. All Iím saying in a nutshell is that Paulís hand should have rested off of the table in a palmed or cupped position out of view but since Paul did state that he never cheated nor Damien they over looked this minute detail that is really not important to viewers who doesnít know what to look for; but very important to up and coming cheaters.

This minute detail is a big detail in the real world of gambling and it might just cost you your life, this is why Iím mentioning it because I donít want any of my studentís killed by not knowing specifics to the cold deck switch.

Correcting A Wrong: Placing your hand on top of your other is a technique that is ONLY USED for holding out 1 to 5 cards etc., not an entire deck.

Note 2: Regarding The Sting. My sting cold deck move is what Scarneís should have looked like if the movie producers would have filmed him doing it from a front angle. By filming this move from a side angle, it tells me without words that Scarne probably had windows (finger openings) and couldnít do this move good enough to execute before the camera therefore the camera men viewing this dilemma had to shoot it from a side angle.

Another scenario could be that the T.V. viewers wouldnít have known what happened and to let them in on what was happening they had to show it this way. The fact that magicians does this all the time when taping their moves is why I brought this up and why I show my moves at itís most crucial angle except for in the back of me.

Tonto Not You Again

Iíve read Tontoís comments and I had a funny feeling he would say this about my moves this is why I left out all of my real good stuff and showed the ones that were already out.

Question: Tonto, in the movie The Sting, were those rich white guys the dummies and duffers you were talking about that got cold decked or are you talking about the ones in Oceanís 11 because I sure didnít see no black folk up in there. I was just thinking, I must really be good because it took a whole table of whites guys and a Tom to rob one black guy.

Bottom Line, I donít care what color or race you are, the only way you can avoid my cold deck moves from being done on you is for you to have seen it before or to have me handcuffed to the table. Tonto I still have 36 more that you nor your friends havenít seen and I just got an idea for two more because I looked at myself doing my moves backwards.

Story Time

My teacher once told me a story of how he cold decked one of these poker clubs. He said that there were about 8 players at the table including him when he cold decked them. He said Doc you should have seen these suckers, they were betting like fools. I gave them all a hand to bet with. (Texas Hold Ďem was the game played) but after I had won the pot and was drawing in all my chips, one of the workers came over to me and said sir congratulation; may I have a word with you? I said yeah. The owner will like to speak to you. I said what about and what about my money (chips)? The guy said donít worry about it, weíll have your money brought to you.

As Billy went upstairs and into a room he said Doc I saw these big whites guys standing there with the owner. I said whatís up? The owner said sir I have a feeling that you cold deck my players. I said what are you talking about? He said you well know what Iím talking about and he had two of these guys to frisk me.

After not finding anything on me I told him you see, I told you I didnít do anything. The owner said well let me see and showed me the video footage of me doing my (the Shade) cold deck move in which it was flawless. I said, you see I didnít do anything but cut the cards and the owner said yes you did now stop trying to play with my intelligence.

Yes your move was flawless and as a matter of fact the best that Iíve ever seen in my life but youíve made one mistake. Doc the owner took my deck that I played with at the card table and placed it next to his other decks and when he turned off the lights all his decks glowed in the dark except mine. I said uh oh.

The owner said I donít know how you made my deck disappear and to be honest with you, I donít care. You can take this here money that youíve won with you but I donít ever want to see you in my club again; even though youíre the best cold decker that Iíve ever seen (the owner then started smiling).

Note: The deck was never found because it was passed off to one of Billyís white partnerís who was a member of the club before the betting began. To see what Iím talking about watch Steveís promo tape of his 4 Part GPS and youíll understand.

Addendum: You know why this con was so pretty because two different races were working together for a common cause, to break everybody.

Thanks again for the compliments

Sincerely

The Doctor

More cold deck videos are up for those who care to look. I don't use these moves anymore except one so do as you wish with them. (Video 2 and 3).

Go to the same site as previously

Signed

The Doctor
KARDMECHANIC
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Thanks for posting the new clips Doc. They are amazing to watch.
What do you mean it came from the bottom of the deck?
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The videos posted by Doc are simply demonsrations of a magician's version of a cold deck move.

They could never happen in real play because the rules preclude this sort of nonsense. For the benefit of the uninitiated, I will tell you a few of the rules that are strictly enforced in any money game played in any club, private or public, in America.

1. The cards must be cut with one hand.
(The dealer can replace the cut, but generally the person who cuts the cards will replace the cut.) Cutting the cards with two hands is forbidden.

2. The cards must be cut.

3. Fancy cuts such as three pile cuts are forbidden.

Another thing that escapes the observations of the neophytes who have never played cards for money, is that players seated at a circular or oval shaped card table are elbow to elbow. Also, if the deck were to be switched, it would not be in the middle of the table.

Additionally, cash in the player's hand is unheard of. All money games, played anywhere in Asia, Europe and America, are played with chips (also called checks). Any knowledgeable player who views Doc's tapes immediately dismisses them as gambler's ploys, because they are nothing more than magican's tricks.

As a youngster, I did play in penny ante games where we played with cash, but even there, the paper money in Doc's hand as he reaches for the cards would arouse the suspicions of unsophisticated players.

I do not have the time to engage in this nonsense any longer. You have the facts, so adios amigos. And God bless Doc.
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I guess you only play at places like las vegas where you play for million dollar pots...

I think those places where you play with those rules are some of those evil buildings where you will never ever even see him playing cards
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Doc knows more cooler moves? These particular ones he does not use anylonger but one? I remember reading an article on cardshark one day and a certain individual was talking about mucking, and mentioned though he was discusing mucking, he would not explain the more advanced mucking moves that are not published, stricktly speaking that Goerge Joseph book on the subject those moves are outdated at least in terms of being used in a Casino enviroment.

We can say the same thing here, Doc has plenty of more in his arsenal, you heard him say Steve has his own coolers as well that have not been seen in any of his previous GPS tapes.

And not everyone that plays in money games uses to quote Jamie Foxx "potatoe chips" Some people play for change, cash etc...

Why waste money on either some good Casino style chips or a cheapy brand at your local convineince store when you can just use money at a private game?
I can tell you, I am not into the chip play either.

Not all blacks play with chips like whites do, and vice versa, everyone has their own style of play.
You want to go out and play private gaming with casino style chips, and casino rules that's your business, but your making it seem like "everyone" plays with chips, uses cut cards, washes the cards before each deal.
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Hi Tonto,

With regard to the cold decking moves, you do bring up some food for thought here. Although Doc has stated he no longer uses these moves. However, I think Russ is correct. Doc has spoken on a number of occasions about card play where dollars and not chips are used especially among the Afro/American community.

Regards,

Paul H
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Remember Doc plays with blacks.They use cash.

And besides,it depends what company your in.

Doc never said he played the fastest company.

He will take anybodys money regardless if they are sphisticated players or rookies who don't know the value of hands.

In my opinion, everything can be put to some use in certain situations.

I have played cards in the back of a kebab shop with NO dealing , shuffling and cutting rules.

You just shuffled and dealt.And there wasn't for small change.
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In Gala Casino Nottingham the dealer shuffles and cuts the deck. In my private game a dealer offers the deck to the player on the right and the deck is cut in the hands. Player can also tap the deck.

Sometimes we play with coins, sometimes with cash. In fact, I have never seen poker chips being sold in Finland. Also in England one must search them quite a bit.

The point? If everyone would list their poker rules we would have hundreds of pages of different rules. So could you please stop the absolutions. You only know casino games apparently. What most of us are talking here is private games.
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Tonto forgot to tell yaíll that in these clubs certain places might play differently. Every culture has their particular games that they play and everyone doesnít play by the same rules. There are always variations. Everywhere I play I always have to ask what are the house rules; and there are always variations that I have to adjust to.

This is why I told you that I know how to cheat at 26 different variations of poker and why I need a PDA phone. I forget how to cheat at certain games that I havenít played in a long time and I have to look up this information in my phone in order to remember what was the particular cheat that I used in order to beat a particular game.

Poker Rooms

In order to stop cheating these clubs play with two decks (red, blue) alternating each time as one deck is being played with the other deck is being shuffled. After the shuffler lays the deck down to be cut the next man (me) in front cuts the deck and the next man deals.

Note: The guy who shuffles the deck shuffles legitimately, the second man cold deck when cutting the pack and the third man unknowingly deals the pre-arranged cold deck.

To My Readers

I've played at a few of these places and even if what Tonto said is true in certain cases at this point I will then turn into Walter Scott or State Street Eddie and deal from the light or from the punch or I can edge mark the white bordered plastic cards with a pencil led colored piece of sand paper. If the players think that Iím playing the light I will then show my hands doing the Raven vanish ďjust like that.Ē

Oh one more thing Tonto what about me playing the scratch or the ridge? Donít let me use my daub version of the juice that I invented for the card table in which you have to blur your vision in order to see (check out the cock-eyed crooks in Ripleyís Believe It or Not). If you think that that scene in the movie Shade of the blurring of your vision was a hoax well itís not, and being that you are old the chances of you ever seeing the marks are very unlikely and my juice works on red and blue back cards.

Note: Readerís itís a fact that these clubs DO NOT PURCHASE NEW DECKS OF PLASTIC (KEM OR GEMCO) CARDS EVERYDAY FOR THEIR MEMBERS TO PLAY WITH AND NEITHER DO THEY WASH EVERY PLAYING CARD EVERYDAY, THEY WASH PARTICULAR CARDS ONLY WHEN NECESSARY, this is the reason they buy plastic cards because itís cheaper and they last longer.


Signed

The Doctor
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I love reading your posts Doc. I have only recently become interested in cheating and gambling moves, I doubt I would ever have the nerve to cheat in the 'real world'.
What would you suggest for a newbie like me?!

But the whole area amazes me.
Any storys of gambling and cheating captivate me like no other (i don't quite know why!).
I suppose you could say that cards fascinate me. These 52 flat, familiar objects can keep people entertained for hours. It amazes me that people (us) can be so interested in cards when their is so much technology in the world.


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Doc,

You previously stated that you did not play poker; now you suddenly know 26 variations. (As many or more than
Hoyle.) Your list of purported accomplishments reads like the curriculum vitae of a crooked gambling genius. However, you do misunderstand and misstate some facts.

In your description of "poker rooms," your statement that the alternate dealing of red and blue decks is designed to prevent cheating is erroneous. I have played in many games where the decks are alternated. This is done to speed up the game so that the house can cut more money out of winning pots. Get your stories straight, Doc, or all the magicians who patronize you will come to realize that most of what you write is apocryphal.

I do not know a d*** thing about cheating, but I have played enough poker in enough places to know the score; and based upon my viewing of your ploys, your cheating me or any experienced player is highly improbable.

Walter Scott and State Street Eddie; deal from the light; the punch; the edge mark; colored sand paper; scratch; the ridge; daub; juice? And when the players suspect that you are cheating, and further suspect a specific ploy, you do a magic trick and make the gimmick disappear? You then defy them to catch you while you continue to cheat them? Remarkable!

Indeed, you have a vivid imagination and a phenomenal ability to create scenarios from nothing more than buzz words and magic book cliches. You have the makings of a great fiction writer.

I did not say that your moves were "ranked," I said they were "rank"! However, if ranked, your moves would fall into the mythology category.

By the way, your recollections of your fictional adventures in the subculture of card and dice cheaters are far more entertaining than the movies you mentioned, and for that I give you credit.

After comparing your rants and raves in previous posts with those of GuardT34, I find the similarities in text and syntax so striking that I must agree with Mar's observation that GuardT34 and Unknown419 are pseudonyms for Doc.

You really don't need an alter ego to toot your horn; you have adequate support and horn tooting from our fellow posters.

God bless you,

Tonto

Doc,

Is your telephonic cache of arcane knowledge avaiable on DVD?

Tonto
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There have been some very knowledgeable people who have said Doc is the real deal.

They could be laying I hear you say

Why?

What has anyone got to gain.Doc isn't selling anything.If he was gonna do a dvd on his punch work and second for which he is known for then great.It will be better than other material on the market, so what if we are getting hustled.

If he can do the work, then sell it cheat or no cheat.

Why would these knowlegable people lie aswell.They have nothing to gain.

Saying Doc isn't the real deal because he has to stick to certain shuffling,dealing and cutting procedure is a little stupid IMO.

If your playing in a game with sophisticated players then maybe.But as Doc says he is always looking for the suckers.He also plays with blacks and blacks play different to whites.It all depends who your playing with.

I have played in pub games where there was a drunk player and not to irritate him we let him shuffle how he liked.No one cared.There wasn't huge stakes but there was enough to be happy with.

And you say you cant play for cash?

If you read the old posts Doc mentioned that blacks only play with cash.

I am just pointing out some obvious things.It just seems like we are going over old ground.Your questions have been answered in earlier posts.

Kukram

p.s- I have ordered a book called 'How to control fair dice' by K.C card company

I have heard a bit about it.Has anyone got a copy and if so is it any good?
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Why do people keep responding to Tanto? He's obviously just trolling.

I have seen dice games at a warehouse I worked at when I was a kid where doc's switch move looked exactly like the average player. I have also seen dice games where if you move your hand from the line while shooting you're a goner. I have played in poker games where cash is the only way to go, and if you have ever been a banker at a home game where the end of the evening leaves more chips on the table than when you started you would know why. Chips speed up the game, since as the denominations climb it gets to be a hassle waiting for a guy to count out 15-20 bills.
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On 2004-08-09 16:24, kukram wrote:
Remember Doc plays with blacks. They use cash.


I turned to my (Jewish) wife and told her "remember, blacks use cash." She hit me right across the face with a Wall Street Journal.

What do I know?
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Vernal,

you are absolutely right about Tonto. But I have to agree with what Paul H. has stated some time before. These kind of posts are indeed highly refreshing and entertaining.

Doc need no validation from anybody. Magicians who know who Steve Forte, Jason England, Paul Chose, Andrew Wimhurst, Dan Harlan are and their knowledge about card manipulation and gambling, can make up their own mind about their praise of Doc's abilities.

On the other hand, this is what makes this thread so great and why so many knowledgable magicians follow it. And Doc is driven to write about his real life experience as a cheat. This is what we seek in here and we don't find in books or movies anywhere.

About poker games... In Greece we play at least 36 variations of poker games and with as many variations for each game. You need a life time to learn to play well in every variation, let alone to cheat. And in every private game the rules about card handling are made up on the way. And about chips?? We use peanuts instead!!

Ron,

you are hillarious Smile LOL!
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On 2004-08-09 14:32, tonto wrote:

For the benefit of the uninitiated, I will tell you a few of the rules that are strictly enforced in any money game played in any club, private or public, in America.

1. The cards must be cut with one hand.
(The dealer can replace the cut, but generally the person who cuts the cards will replace the cut.) Cutting the cards with two hands is forbidden.

2. The cards must be cut.

3. Fancy cuts such as three pile cuts are forbidden.

Additionally, cash in the player's hand is unheard of. All money games, played anywhere in Asia, Europe and America, are played with chips (also called checks).


Every single statement above is incorrect in regards to the private games I've played in Southern California. Keep in mind, I only play private low stakes(a couple hundred or so) Hold 'em.
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Thank you for posting that kukram when I was playing cards (years ago) I would only play two games for money draw poker and stud poker. That was it. The people I did play cards with liked to play those two games and only those two games.

Draw poker nothing wild - stud poker nothing wild.

Over the years I have met a few card advantage players and from what I learned from them is that they would play only the games that they knew well because those are the games that were easy for them to take advantage. "And get the money".

I would think that anyone that is advantage playing for a living would would stand a better chance of "getting the money" if he was playing a game that he knew well.

Rather than a new game or trying to be an expert at lots of games.

It may be a liitle like magic. It is better to do a few tricks well than a lot of tricks bad.

For an advantage player - it may be better to play and be an expert on just a few games than less of an expert in many games...

Something like that.

I agree with kukram and others - Doc is the real deal....
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