Tielie I want to thank you for your comment. It is because of you that I put these videos up. I promised you something and I kept my word. I have more that will be posted soon but I have to edit it first.

You made me get off of my lazy butt and I thank you for it. Not only do I thank you for that, I thank you for starting this post. I guess you have your answer now? A real cheat did write this...

Mr. Tristian thanks for posting and thanks for letting me know about this thread and defending me like you did at the other site.

To All, No one needs my approval for my videos, do as you wish with them, I just wanted to show that I didn't just talk the talk that I could walk the walk too.

Note: To all who showed me moves in secret and told me not to show them, they will remain a secret in my book.

Your Friend

Doc

I say again I loved the vids.



I also like that you did a bit of acting on the dice clip to show the things you do and say whilst in action rather than doing move to camera.

Cant wait for the deals.

Absolutely wonderful moves doc. The majority of us would be lucky to learn something (ANYTHING) from your writings and videos. Thank goodness we have these forums and this medium to allow us to interact with you...

Mike

Do you have any email doc ?
I want to correspondent with you but your pm inbox always full.

From An Unknown Writer

Within this 2 months, actually I begin put my interest in card gambling area. And I have search a lot for the resource.It is quite difficult for me to find the real world gambling in My country since gambling is prohibited here.i did read in your post that if someone want to be a good cheater, she or he should spend time in the gambling world. Like casino. But I cant do that here. Maybe you have some advice for that.

Where should I start to learn. Which book should I bought. … So if you not objected, I want to learn some gambling or card cheating principle from you. Because you mention of the great card expert whom were your teachers. And you mention so many technique that I never heard.

Thank you

Thanks for writing me.

You say that you read my post right? Then you should know that our rule is to keep a sucker sleep meaning not to teach them, let them learn on their own and let them make their own mistakes like we all did. Cheating has to be earned and you earn that by trial, error and experience.

You say gambling is prohibited in your country well you're in a great country but if there are playing cards in your country then there also are games going on too because people will play cards in their homes.

Regarding casino stuff, I know nothing about it, Our rule is if you can't cheat, don't play and blacks are spotted by casino cameras before they enter the casino so that's a no no for me. I'm not prejudice, those are the facts.

As far as books and videos are concerned, you have to read through the post and take the advice that was given by some of these guys. That means the videos that was highly recommended by them is the ones that you buy first. You read but you don't read and comprehend.

You say you want to learn card cheating principles from me, well then read my post and read between the lines like I did when studying teachers like Darwin Ortiz etc.

Bottom Line to have you as a friend it would be great but to have you as a student, I would not; at least not at this time in your life. You say you read my stuff but you still ask me to teach you, if you’ve read my post you should know that I don’t teach.

To be honest with you, why should I teach you when it's my goal to break you?

I’m a Hustler Not a Magician. A magician will sit down and help you to get better, I’ll sit down with the intention of getting you broke.

Oh one more thing before I go, you really don't understand how far we take it to keep a secret.

I have a friend that has never told his wife that he cheated because he said that if she would ever get mad at him for any reason that she might tell. I know that he was not lying to me because he would let me break her and split the money down the middle with me.

I've also seen him break her and told her in front of everybody, "I told you not to gamble." His wife has died since that time and still he never told her that he cheated. So on that note alone, why should I teach you?

Still Your Friend

Doc

Great videos, now I have voice to put with your posts. I also have a visual example of some of your work. Would it be out of the rules within your circle to post a little more card moves? I would be interested to see a video of you Cold Decking (I believe that's what its called). I would also like to see a real cheat deal seconds and bottoms. If it isn't ok, then I understand. Thanks for posting those two videos though.

Docs new videos are up.

A bottom deal and a shade switch.

Great stuff!!!!!!!!!!

http://cyngaporemagic.com/doc/

Hello again Doc,

I feel very much like kukram, these are truly outstanding examples of the craft. What I particularly like are the natural 'real world' rhythmic feel of the moves and switches. At present I have been spending ALOT of time with the bottom deal and now with your video. In fact, I think I am word perfect. But I really like the way you grip the deck. Unlike the Gene Maze method of having both the index and second finger at the front, you maintain the familiar mechanics grip, blast you! Doc, before I become totally committed to the Gene Maze handling, is your method a modification Gene's or a very different method? If so, is there a source you suggest I could study. I've been trying to figure out if you take with the index or third finger, but that part of the image is too dark on my laptop. Whatever, you have generously given us a fantastic demonstration. Most appreciated.

Regards,

Paul H

I havn't checked but the grip could be the walter scott or the art buckley grip( well its in thier books anyway)

The take was the index.

Im thinking of changing to the mechanics grip for my bottom after seeing Docs and forte's.

Erdnase grip for demos and mechanics for........ Not demo

It was a smoothe and natural deal doc.
As stated earlier, great stuff!

Thanks kukram. As luck would have it I've already ordered Buckley's card control.So I'll take a look.

Regards,

Paul H

With all the respect I have to say your bottomdealing doesn't impress me nearly as much as your other moves. Do you really think the thumb should move? I don't move my thumb when dealing from the base and still I think it looks quite deceptive. When burned, people will probably notice the top card not being dealt, but I wouldn't cheat when people are suspicious. But I think your change in ritme is a big tell.

Still: much respect. It's better then mine and it's a big inspritation. I am currently working on the Erdnase method where the thumb DOES move. Can't get my fingers to keep away from flashing. If I move beyond that point, my bottomdeal will be flawless

Thanks again DOC,

you're my biggest inspiration.

I have to take that reply back. Nothing wrong. I just noticed because:
1. I looked like a hawk
2. knew what to look for.

Absolutely nothing wrong with the rythm. However I still feel the take/deal changes a bit.

Hi Tielie,

You make an interesting point. It seems to me though that the thumb moves the top card across providing cover for any movement of the fingers as well as supporting the illusion of the top card being pushed off. At the right moment, it is pulled back in timing with the bottom being 'fed' to the table and looks very deceptive to my eye.

Regards,

Paul H

Paul there is a source you should study, it is that of Gene Maze. He was my first and last teacher of the bottom deal and my deal is nothing but a variant of his with my grip instead of his. I wanted to look uniform in all my deals so I set out to use the same grip and I did.

There is no books except Seconds, Centers and Bottoms and I combined Gene Mazes technique with Ed Marlo's and came up with what you now see.

I showed my bottom deal from a crucial view so that ya'll can learn from it, critique it and make it better. I was going to post a Gene Maze turn in handling of it but then people would have critiqued it as me not being able to do a bottom deal so I chose not to put it up.

I will be posting a video of me doing the second center and bottom from the same grip just to show that the move is possible but PLEASE YA'LL DON'T WRITE ME CRITIQUING IT. I DON'T PRACTICE THIS ANY LONGER BECAUSE I NORMALLY DON'T BOTTOM NOR MIDDLE ANYMORE BECAUSE OF MY ABILITY TO COLD DECK. I'VE ADVANCED PAST THAT STAGE IN MY LIFE OF HOPPING THE DECK, PUTTING CARDS AT THE BOTTOM ETC. JUST TO DO THESE MOVES. TO ME LESS IS MORE AND SINCE I DO THAT, I PREFER TO COLD DECK.

I WILL BE POSTING SOME COLD DECK MOVES AT ANOTHER TIME.

Your Friend

Doc

P.S. I don't teach, I'm doing what Steve, Darwin, Jason and Andrew did on their videos, I'm just showing that it exist and what I feel is the correct way to do it in which is beneficial for my makeup and handling (not yours).

Teilie thanks for expressing that my bottom deal didn't impress you as much as my other moves. Why?

Tielie when people tend to see too much of a good thing, they stop looking at the effect and start comparing which is better and more amazing, this is why I didn't post everything at one time and the main reason why I didn't post my Cold Deck Moves first because once you see that, nothing else that I did would impress you. So this is why I'm saving that post for last.

I learned that people did the same evalution thing each time when I demonstrated my Cold Deck Moves in which I can do about 28. When I first did my basics they loved it but as I kept showing other cold deck moves they started comparing this one and that one etc. when they never saw any real ones in their life. I didn't like them saying that but couldn't help it because I do it myself.

I frequented a strip club everynight while hustling in ATL because the owner's let us trim the suckers for a P.C. I noticed after going a few times that out of 20 to 30 girls that was there who were all beautiful, I started comparing which one was the prettiest and best looking of them all.

I said all that to say this, if I just saw one of them on the street I would have been awed by her shape and beauty but since I had other pretty ladies to compare her to, she didn't look as pretty anymore.

I know that comparing can't be helped so on that note ya'll critique on.

Your Friend

Doc

A few people I know(including me) can't view the videos. What is mp4? The dice switch video plays fine. HELP!

Download quicktime, that should fix it

MPEG-4 is a format that is used using QuickTime.

What my friend told me to tell you.

Tell them to save your video on their computer before playing it. Right Click on the video link and click on Save Target As... followed by saving it to their prefered location.

I hope that this has been of some help.

Your Friend

Doc

P.S. I don't know how to do this video stuff at all, this is why I have a student of mine posting these for me.

Hi Doc,

Many thanks for your informative reply. I shall take your advise and persevere with the Gene maze handling for now and when I can do that deceptively, (will keep me busy for quite a while) I'll look into Marlo's ideas.

Regards,

Paul H

Paul you are welcome. To speed up your practice using Gene's grip, I would advise you to go to Dennis Behr Site and check out his stuff and handling, he does an excellent job at mostly everything he does.

Your Friend

Doc

Hi Doc,

Nice bottom deal since we are watching a close up from the most critical angle and having a relatively slow dealing process. One of the things I like and I find more difficult in mine is to keep the tips of the left fingers at the top of the sides dealing with a whole deck and I suppose it is because I still use a push-off from master grip(although I try to do the push-off with the second phalange of the second finger and make it very slight). I´m also practising the strike bottom from master grip which help with that problem although strike bottoms give rise to more frequent hungers.

Do you directly take the bottom with your index or do you first loosen it with your index in a backwards movement and then pull it out?

Regards

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