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Stunninger Inner circle 2819 Posts |
This is a delightful little book. The first half provides some of the most practical and down to earth instruction I've ever read on motivation and over-coming any fears or apprehensions, not just for starting to give readings, but the practice and development of any new skill, really. The second half provides practical guidance specifically on giving readings.
Ian doesn't teach the "how to" of giving readings, as that is well covered in his famous "Full Facts of Cold Reading" book and Applied Cold Reading workshops. But he does provide examples for different casual scenarios which may be used as a starter set to get you going. Wonderful booklet that provides a very practical framework and many realistic tips to inspire you to leave the house and get out there, practice and develop your reading skills anytime, anywhere with virtually anyone. As the sub-title on the cover says, "How to progress from knowing about cold reading to actually giving readings...and why you should" Highly recommended. http://www.thecoldreadingconnection.com/......eadings/ |
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Winnes Elite user 473 Posts |
Thanks for this Stunninger, I've been hovering over the buy button for this for a while and you've helped me finally decide to get it..
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Philemon Vanderbeck Inner circle Seattle, WA 4694 Posts |
I'm slightly confused by this. Didn't Ian start of by writing "Full Facts" as a means of discrediting (and busting) cold readers?
And now he's advocating that people go do readings? Seems antithetical to his original position.
Professor Philemon Vanderbeck
That Creepy Magician "I use my sixth sense to create the illusion of possessing the other five." |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
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On Jul 30, 2018, Philemon Vanderbeck wrote: I too am interested in this...Seems others have done similar things.
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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Stunninger Inner circle 2819 Posts |
Ian Rowland encourages the use of cold reading as a way of connecting with others by telling them about themselves, encouraging them and lifting them up. I take from "How to Start Giving Readings" that Ian does not encourage a reader to claim they have any powers which they do not, such as the ability to see into the future or communicate with the dead.
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12945 Posts |
This is why I like reading money or cards etc. This way the object is making the decisions. Doesn't require we have or don't have any special powers.
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5925 Posts |
Which might be why this ebook suggests using palmistry or graphology. Then again, most suggest those avenues.
The questions of ethics and why to give readings, well that is very intelligently covered in the book. |
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Philemon Vanderbeck Inner circle Seattle, WA 4694 Posts |
"Psychic baiting is a great new fun way to pass your leisure hours. My hope is that it will become a popular new pastime all over the world. In essence, psychic baiting is the only sure way to demonstrate that someone giving readings is using cold reading, not genuine psychic ability. It involves going for a reading and allowing the psychic - which I stress means 'cold reader' in this case - to get snared by her own methods."
- "The Full Facts book of Cold Reading" by Ian Rowland (3rd edition)
Professor Philemon Vanderbeck
That Creepy Magician "I use my sixth sense to create the illusion of possessing the other five." |
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Ian Rowland Special user London 889 Posts |
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On Jul 30, 2018, Philemon Vanderbeck wrote: Hi Philemon. Actually, no, that wasn't my intention in writing the book and I don't think I've ever said it was. I'm open to correction on this, since I wrote it a long time ago (1999) and I can't remember everything I've ever said or written. But as far as I know, I've never stated that intention. I apologise for any confusion on this point. Quote:
Psychic baiting is a great new fun way to pass your leisure hours. My hope is that it will become a popular new pastime all over the world. In essence, psychic baiting is the only sure way to demonstrate that someone giving readings is using cold reading, not genuine psychic ability. It involves going for a reading and allowing the psychic - which I stress means 'cold reader' in this case - to get snared by her own methods." - "The Full Facts book of Cold Reading" by Ian Rowland (3rd edition) I can understand your concern about that passage. I did not intend for it to be taken seriously. I assumed readers would understand that it was not a serious recommendation. Many years after I wrote the first version, one or two friends said they felt a small number of people _might_ conceivably take it at face value -- although neither they nor I had never heard of anyone actually 'baiting' a psychic in real life in the manner described. Prompted by these concerns, I revised that section in later editions. I hoped to make it abundantly clear that it was _not_ a serious suggestion and was never intended to be one. Here's the relevant section from the fifth edition: "When I wrote the first edition of this book, I included a section that I called 'Psychic baiting'. I felt it would be understood as an amusing, light-hearted section of the book that was not meant to be taken very seriously. Unfortunately, some people who work in the psychic industry did take it seriously and raised one or two objections. // In preparing the current edition, I did consider omitting this section altogether. In the end I decided to retain it because some readers have told me they enjoyed it. However, since it seems there is a risk of being misunderstood, let me make it clear: this is only a bit of fun and I am not seriously suggesting anyone should go around baiting psychics in the manner described. // ... All that having been clarified, here is a slightly revised and condensed version of the original 'Psychic Baiting' section."
www.ianrowland.com . Working Magic.
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12945 Posts |
I always thought it was amusing. Perhaps because I have a sarcastic bent as well.
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Philemon Vanderbeck Inner circle Seattle, WA 4694 Posts |
Ian, thank you for your clarification, and accept my apologies for misunderstanding your position.
I will be picking up a copy of your book. While I no longer do readings professionally, I am curious to what you have to say about the art.
Professor Philemon Vanderbeck
That Creepy Magician "I use my sixth sense to create the illusion of possessing the other five." |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
I think I will too .... With all of my success and years of preparation I've "Failed to launch" to the degree that I should. Would this book be more motivational?
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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Ian Rowland Special user London 889 Posts |
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On Jul 30, 2018, Philemon Vanderbeck wrote: I don't think you have anything to apologise for, Sir! After all, you were only expressing your sincere feelings and expressing your curiosity. I don't know if my small booklet will be of any use to you, given your considerable experience. However, if you do order it, and if you would like me to, I'll be happy to refund your payment as a gesture of my respect for all that you've done for mentalism over the years.
www.ianrowland.com . Working Magic.
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Philemon Vanderbeck Inner circle Seattle, WA 4694 Posts |
I appreciate your kind offer, but you've done far more for mentalism than I ever had (though I also appreciate the compliment).
Please keep my payment. I am certain I will enjoy reading it, learning your insights and opinions, and then carrying forth a spirited debate here with you on its merits. ;-)
Professor Philemon Vanderbeck
That Creepy Magician "I use my sixth sense to create the illusion of possessing the other five." |
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Matt Pulsar Inner circle 1130 Posts |
Interesting, I’m curious what your experience is Ian in giving readings. You have a lot of work based around the concept of “cold reading”. To me cold reading simply means giving a reading to someone who was a stranger before the reading. But the term “cold reading” has morphed into something else, meaning something more akin to trickery and falsehood, especially in magic and skeptic communities. You have positioned yourself as a master of this topic in this community. Is that based on experience reading for the public or experience in mentalism?
I find the perspective of challenging or catching out readers that is quoted above quite sad. I am glad to learn it was intended in jest but I imagine there are many people who did not take it that way. I’m planning to buy this book. But before I do I want to know that it isn’t supporting the perspective that synchronicity is a scam. Personally I don’t find that to be the case.
Belief Manifests Reality.
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Ian Rowland Special user London 889 Posts |
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On Aug 16, 2018, Matt Pulsar wrote: That's my understanding too. As opposed to 'hot' reading, where you have some advance information. Quote:
But the term “cold reading” has morphed into something else, meaning something more akin to trickery and falsehood, especially in magic and skeptic communities. I don't know if that's the case. This hasn't been my own experience within those communities. There may be some individuals who use the term that way, but I've no idea how many there are or whether they can be said to be representative of those communities. Then again, magic is a very broad church. There's room for many shades of opinion, and I think this is part of its richness. I think what you say may be more true within 'skeptical' circles, where some people believe that 'cold reading' necessarily and always equates to 'deception', 'scam' and 'fraud'. I disagree, but I allow that this may be their sincere belief based on what they know. However, I don't have much to do with skeptics these days. In fact I sometimes say I'm a 'recovering skeptic'. Quote:
You have positioned yourself as a master of this topic in this community. Have I? I think it's fair to say I know a bit about cold reading, but I haven't intentionally 'positioned' myself as anything, and 'master' would be pushing it. I just enjoy sharing what I know about cold reading and the many wonderful ways in which it can be used. Quote:
Is that based on experience reading for the public or experience in mentalism? Well, first of all, please refer to my previous answer. AFAIK I haven't done the thing you say I've done. But if you're asking me what my knowledge, such as it is, is based on, I'd say a lot of reading and study, lots of help from people better and more knowledgeable than I am (e.g. David Britland), lots of experience giving readings to people in all sorts of contexts all over the world (but never asking for money, always free) and some demonstrations and discussion within the mentalism community. Quote:
I find the perspective of challenging or catching out readers that is quoted above quite sad. I am glad to learn it was intended in jest but I imagine there are many people who did not take it that way. I don't know about 'many'. I've no way of knowing the numbers involved. All I know is that two or three friends raised the possibility that my intentions might be misunderstood, which is why I made the changes I did in the later edition.
www.ianrowland.com . Working Magic.
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Jerskin Inner circle 2497 Posts |
Turns out this is an e-book
GrEg oTtO
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Matt Pulsar Inner circle 1130 Posts |
Thank you for your detailed response. I purchased this book and a bunch of free offers on your site.looking forward to reading them. I think you have become (to what degree I don’t know) the reference name for cold reading in the same way that Harry Lorayne has for mnemonics, at least within the magic community. But in so far as positioning yourself, I don’t mean that as a jab. I am making reference to the many books with cold reading in the title you have written, interviews you have done on the subject and that it is part of the title of a website you have that sells said books. Interviewers refer to you as the authority on the subject. You humbly shrug it off but there is precedence in seeing you as such.
Anyhow, I have a love hate relationship with the concept and term. I give readings, mostly tarot, at least twice a week in a bar that has a space specifically built for readings. I have had skeptic evangelists and people who just think they know more or better than others come in and try and call me out by saying things like “I know you’re just cold reading!” And it becomes clear in onversation that they don’t understand readings or what cold reading is. Generally if they actually sit for a reading they see that there’s nothing to be up in arms about with what I do. But they have been given this negative perspective and I’m not always quite sure where they got that. Once I did know that it’s penn and teller’s ******** show. And I have had members of the Skeptic church. I’m curious why you have never charged for a reading and why you feel that needs to be pointed out. Do you feel it is unethical to take money for a reading?
Belief Manifests Reality.
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Ian Rowland Special user London 889 Posts |
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On Aug 16, 2018, Matt Pulsar wrote: Maybe some do, and that's nice. Howevet, I'm sure there are equally many people, both within the mentalism family and without, who would say I'm no more of an authority than a bucket of sand. Quote:
I have had skeptic evangelists // try and call me out by saying things like "I know you’re just cold reading!" And it becomes clear in onversation that they don't understand readings or what cold reading is. That's a shame. Within any special interest group, you'll always find some people who are rather poor adverts for that particular group. Sadly, they are often among the more vocal contingent. I have come across the sort of people you're referring to. They mean well, to be fair, but their strident protests serve only to reveal their frail and spavined understanding of the subject. However, let's not tar all with the same brush. There are people who identify as 'skeptics' who understand cold reading very well and see no reason to protest about it. Quote:
I’m curious why you have never charged for a reading and why you feel that needs to be pointed out. Do you feel it is unethical to take money for a reading? I was just anticipating a question that crops up quite often! I've never charged for readings because I've never wanted or needed to, it's never been part of how I earn a living, and it's not something that has ever occurred to me. It would also often get in the way. I give a lot of spontaneous, informal readings, and if I started negotiating over payment the moment would be gone. I know some critics like to ask about payment because they feel it's a 'gotcha' either way. If I say I have not charged for readings, they can say that I've never been good enough to do so. After all, anyone can say nice things about a reading they get for free, right? It's only when people are paying cold, hard cash that they'll apply a higher critical standard and insist that the reader delivers the goods (or so the 'reasoning' goes). If I say I have charged for readings, they can try to make a point about hypocrisy -- or at least they might have done so back in the day when I was moderately active as a 'skeptic'. Profiting from the very thing he denounces... off with his head!! As to whether it's ethical or not to charge for readings, I don't know. I don't think I know enough about ethics to make an informed judgment. However, if you ask me for my best guess, I'd suggest it depends on the details and the circumstances. If you charge the 'going rate' to someone who can clearly afford it, and who feels they derive a benefit; and if your intentions are good and you conduct yourself with integrity; I don't see much to whine about. On the other hand if you intend to charge extortionate rates, or to fleece people out of money they can't afford to lose, that's different and I would object to it.
www.ianrowland.com . Working Magic.
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Matt Pulsar Inner circle 1130 Posts |
I completely agree. Thanks for taking the time to clarify. There are people who misuse the art of reading and those who do great service with it.
I sent an email when I ordered your books. They don’t seem to open on GoodReader or acrobat reader. Trying to figure out how to make that work.
Belief Manifests Reality.
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