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richardl
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Is there at least a show video of the clear cups and balls presentation?
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Jeffrey Campell's Crystal Cups cups and balls routine is killer. I hesitate to recommend it only because I use a variation of it myself and sometimes its hard to share. I first do a 2 cup routine with copper cups (nothing unique there) then finish off with Crystal Cups. I won't mention this again unless asked. Its too good...
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Where are you from bosque? I know Jeffery but I don't do cups and balls. I have seen the manuscript. Bill Palmer posted on the first page of this thread that Mr Campbells' C&B is totally different from Jason Latimers. Jeffery says this isn't really the case. That they are actually very similar. Like I said, I wouldn't know because I don't do C&B. Nice to see someone mention his manuscript though. (You too Jailhouse Jonny)

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Both Latimers and Campbells routine look very similar. Especially the penetration the balls through the cups. Very interesting.
Didn't Latimers card trick in the genii issue with him on the cover, turn out to be someone else's? Just asking.
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Mmmm, I was rather surprised by the last post. They look similar?
I have the booklet of Jeffrey Campbell here before me. There is a two (clear cup) routine and a "crystal chop-cup" routine in it. I have seen Jason's routine at least 3 times live and have a (shortened) version on video.
If Cambell's and Latimer's versions are alike, so are Vernon's and Wonder's. Or Ramsay's and Ammar's...

I have to admit that after seeing Jason's routine more than once, most of it's MO remains abracadabra for me. Clever stuff, very clever!

Oh, and off-topic, Bill is right again. Indonesia was a colony of the Netherlands untill the late forties. It was called in that time the Dutch East Indies. Both my parents were born there and travelled back to Holland when Indonesia became independent in the late forties. (If you look at my avatar you see someone who is half indonesian/half Dutch). I believe Phoa has the same roots although he also must have some chinese blood.
And from what I know he was teaching Tai Chi here in Holland. I was never so lucky to meet the man in person though.
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On 2005-07-12 11:59, Dan LeFay wrote:
I have to admit that after seeing Jason's routine more than once, most of it's MO remains abracadabra for me. Clever stuff, very clever!
Makes me curious..I have to admit I never saw a performance of Jason Latimer, but all I hear is praise...
Hmm, maybe he makes it to FISM 2006 in Stockholm.. Smile
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I've seen Latimer's routine maybe a dozen times and I took photos of him for the Genii article as well as for his own use... and I do not know the M.O. of his cups. I have the Crystal Cups mss. and see little of the same. There may be some individual bits that are similar but the construction is quite different.
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I saw Latimer's routine many times an I found it quite disapointing. Either his routine really sucks or I have not understood anything about magic after all these years.
I really don't know how he made it in the Netherlands.
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On 2005-07-24 17:55, Latig0 wrote:
I saw Latimer's routine many times ...I really don't know how he made it in the Netherlands.


What specically did you feel was awkward, unmagical or simply pointless?
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I've seen Jason do his C&B in the Close up Room at the Castle. It was very magical looking to me. With a slight movement of the cups, balls clearly seen inside one cup will visually disappear and reappear inside another. The only downer to me was in the presentation. He introduced the trick as being his proudest acheivement in Magic so far. (Fine) That the effect in question vaulted him to the Highest honors in Magic. (Fine too) That he would like to share it with the audience. (Perfect) Jason then performed the effect with exposition type patter. "I put the ball over here....and it goes over there..." At times, he appeared to be jazzing and in my opinion, treaded very close to being smug and or cocky. I remember wishing he had some kind of something to go along with that visually stunning routine.

In Jason's defense, the show in question was a late night add on and it is possible Jason was indeed "Jazzing" along, being playful and taking some chances.

As an aside, I'd really like to see Suzanne's final load appear in one of Jason's cups, though...
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Suzanne's final load is, in fact, Al Schneider's. And Jason, not taking from others, prefers his own finale.
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I saw Jason Latimer do his routine at the Magic Circle Centenary. We spoke at length about it.

I also noticed a few things about it which I will not go into at all, because it would not be ethical for me to do so. I can say this: although there are a couple of places in the routine in which a principle that is also used in the Campbell book may appear to be used, the routine is purely Jason's. There is much more going on in that routine than most people even imagine.

He has no plans to release the routine in the immediate future. His plan is to wait until it is no longer his flagship routine. Then he will release the bulk of it.

One reason that he will not release the entire routine is that the routine changes from performance to performance.
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On 2005-07-24 20:10, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
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On 2005-07-24 17:55, Latig0 wrote:
I saw Latimer's routine many times ...I really don't know how he made it in the Netherlands.


What specically did you feel was awkward, unmagical or simply pointless?


His body language was really messy. All sorts of unnecesary limb movements and face contortions which would only add to the reigning confusion. I though the climax was not that strong either.
He hardly fooled me. It was so messy. All I remember is this guy making weird faces and moving some huge transparet glasses from one place to another. No rythm, no smoothness at all, no magic.
The cups being transparent is a detail which only appeals to Magicians. I think lay audiences give a *** about that.
Take Michael Ammar's cups and balls. He may be quite a Vernonist but man, that's magic! Those final loads appearing at the end and the previous moves are really beautiful to watch! Take Williamson's or Tommy Wonder's. Both exquisite pieces of classy deception!
Again I think Latimer's act was lame.

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On 2005-07-28 02:06, Bill Palmer wrote:
He has no plans to release the routine in the immediate future.


That's fine with me...hehe Smile
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Evidently you saw the routine when it was in a different state of development than it is now. There were no grimaces or funny faces. The movements were smooth and graceful. It moved a bit faster in a couple of places than I might have wanted it to, but it was very well done.

The glasses he used were only slightly taller than a Paul Fox cup, but the shape is more triangular, so this might make them appear to be larger in diameter.

He told me that he has more than one set of cups which he works with on a regular basis.
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I see Jason Latimer will be performing at the Magic CAslte at the end of August. I hope he does his cups and balls routine becasue I heard so much about it I am kind of jazzed to see it.I ussally go to the Caslte with non-magicians so I will be able to tell you if lay people give a **** about it.
Hope to see other Café memebrs there
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Where is everyone seeing Jason do this routine.
I don't get it.

:(

I see nothing!!!
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Maybe it's the shades! Smile
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How about simply experimenting with a mirror glass and learning a few things? A bottomless glass is also a useful tool.
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That sounds absolutely nuts.
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This is a general question really, and I'd like to hear the opinions of the frequent post-ers in this formum....

I have a few ideas about how to make a magical C&B with totally clear glass (polycarbonate) cups, and regular balls / loads.

Since I've never read a published routine, seen anyone perform a Clear C&B is it unethical for me to pursue my ideas? If my ideas lead elsewhere I guess that's OK - but what would the situation be if I perfected a principle worthy of marketing? How would I know if JL et.al. had used "my" method first?

I know these issues have there own forum (which you should feel free to point me to) but I specifically have thoughts about making clear cups that don't expose.
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