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Thanks Matt. Glad to hear it because I am in the same situation and now will purchase the effect.
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I think it's a trick he actually could of shown a full uncut performance, not sure why he didn't. You maybe could backtrack but there is one part of the routine that makes it somewhat difficult. All in all a good trick that's easy to do and is a fooler for laymen.
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On Aug 22, 2018, JanForster wrote:
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If you just own a little bit of it in your library you would have know what to expect and what you would receive. Jan


Aldo Colombini in his Impromptu Card Magic shares Ed Marlo's AP. I do not have Marlo's book, but what I like about what Colombini shared is that it does not involve a Faro Shuffle, which I could not do to save my life.

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How can people not Faro, seriously? I really don´t get this when I read it and not deliberately picking on you, robwar.
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Off the top of my head, improper technique, poor understanding what is actually trying to be accomplished, fear of failure, lousy eyesight, unsteady hands, lack of confidence...

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How can people not Faro, seriously? I really don´t get this when I read it and not deliberately picking on you, robwar.
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Off the top of my head...unsteady hands...

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How can people not Faro, seriously? I really don´t get this when I read it and not deliberately picking on you, robwar.


Watch Paul Gertner (a MASTER with the Faro) do it on 'Fool Us'. His hands were remarkably "unsteady", yet his Faro was flawless!
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Yes everyone can do a Faro Shuffle...the question is how well can they do it? I'm in the "not so well" area. But to get on point I got this today and I like it a lot. Of course I tried it on my wife and she enjoyed it and was baffled and I like that because she now has that knack of getting close to knowing how things are done in the magic/mentalism world. I like the idea of being able to borrow a deck and having it shuffled. I'm very pleased with this and I do recommend it.

Good magic to all,


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I didn't liked the procedure. This has nothing to do with Acaan. It is very complicated, the plot. Really the ad is a bit deceptive.
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I didn't liked the procedure. This has nothing to do with Acaan. It is very complicated, the plot. Really the ad is a bit deceptive.


ACAAN description misleading? NFW. Never.
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I didn't liked the procedure. This has nothing to do with Acaan. It is very complicated, the plot. Really the ad is a bit deceptive.


A bit deceptive? Would someone selling a trick do such a thing!

“Sometimes you hear about a new magic trick that sounds too good to be true.”

You’re right Rick. It happens all the time.

“This is one of those tricks.”

At least you’re honest.

“But this is the real deal”

Oh. You’ve changed your mind.

“. It’s a card trick, and all of the following points about it are 100% accurate: “

Ok. Go for it...

“1) The spectator names a number.”

True. And we’re best to right it down because so much time is going to pass between the naming of the number and counting to it. And we don’t want to get it confused with the “other number”, do we!

2) The spectator thinks of a card.

“Hmmm. Not in the sense one normally associated with ACAAN. Or thinking. If one considers being asked to think of something at a specific number as “thinking of something” then, yes, you think of a card.

3) The thought-of card appears at the named number.

“Eh!?! What happens to all the hoo-ha inbetween? The “generating” of the 2nd number. The cards put into a card box. The counting while thinking business. The counting through cards multiple times?

“I tried to tell you it sounds too good to be true! “

You certainly did.

“I’m betting that right now you’re trying to figure out “the catch.” (At least, that’s what I do when I read magic trick descriptions.) You’re wondering, do I need to master some difficult sleight-of-hand move? Does the trick require some complicated setup? No and no. “

You’re right. That bits not “the catch”.

“4) You can perform this trick with very little practice.”

True. You can also perform the 21 card trick with very little practice.

“5) You can perform this trick with a borrowed, shuffled deck.”

True. You can also perform the 21 card trick with a borrowed shuffled deck.

“Special Thanks and Credit to:
-Justin Flom, Andrei Jikh, Tyas Frantz, Kyle & Mistie Knight, Ed Marlo, John Bannon.
-Ed Marlo Automatic Placement, Faro Notes (1958)
-John Bannon, The Thirty-Second Sense, Destination Zero (2015)”

Now, THOSE are the real deal. Thanks for posting that info. Magicians helping magicians for once!

If the description had ended at:

“Sometimes you hear about a new magic trick that sounds too good to be true.”

It would have been the most honest ad in magic history.
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How can people not Faro, seriously? I really don´t get this when I read it and not deliberately picking on you, robwar.


When I read "do an in-Faro ... do an out-Faro" I think: Seriously? People think you can just do a Faro?"

I have never had any success with it.

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The weird thing is that most of the reviews are five stars...
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There are far worse tricks out there that require drawn out procedures than this.
I have a book on my shelf back from when I was an outsider to magic that is full of beginner style card tricks requiring extensive dealing procedures, often into multiple piles and 'down/under' elimination/selection procedures.
This trick is direct in comparison!

If you can't justify or make this procedure entertaining for your audience then that says more about the skills of the handyman than the tools.
I will say I don't think Rick's demo is a great example of how to make this routine engaging (aside from the premise and the reveal) but it comes down to this (as it does with any effect)...if you like the idea/method, then you can make it work for you and your spectators.

I don't judge an idea until I myself have spent a bit of time both mechanically doing it, and also thinking about how I would actually present it, making it entertaining for my spectators.
There have certainly been a fair few times where I've watched a video for a trick or read a method in a book and my initial thought has been 'hmmm not sure I like that one' but often find if I at least play with the method, cards in hand, a routine starts to form and often in actual application been surprised by the reactions.

To us, method is everything, and all we care about.
We focus on the procedure, you notice the "process" because we live "methods" and are comparing things constantly to other methods we know.

Spectators just want to be entertained, with a good story and a strong moment of magic where something happens they weren't expecting or can't explain.
They don't care how you got there or what exact method you used!


You just have to care enough about an idea to bother!
if you don't care enough, then that just means you simply don't like the idea.
But again, that says nothing about the effectiveness of the tool,just that you don't want to use it!

Also, this ISN'T an ACAAN.
Nowhere on the product description is it ever stated or even suggested that it is one or trying to be one.
Penguin magic have it 'tagged' under ACAAN true, but that's not the actual description of the trick or method, and I'd argue that's a mis-tag.

Criticizing this because it's a terrible approach to ACAAN or even comparing it to other ACAAN's is like comparing Binary Code to OOTW or OOTW to Oil&Water, simply because they revolve around seperating colors!

Two completely different effects.
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Also, this ISN'T an ACAAN.
Nowhere on the product description is it ever stated or even suggested that it is one or trying to be one.
Penguin magic have it 'tagged' under ACAAN true, but that's not the actual description of the trick or method, and I'd argue that's a mis-tag.

Criticizing this because it's a terrible approach to ACAAN or even comparing it to other ACAAN's is like comparing Binary Code to OOTW or OOTW to Oil&Water, simply because they revolve around seperating colors!

Two completely different effects.


You are completely delirious. Read points 1 2 and 3 of the description.
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You are completely delirious. Read points 1 2 and 3 of the description.


Yet...
it is NOT an ACAAN.
ACAAN is when two spectators name both a card and a number and that card is plain and simply at that number.
THIS...is not that.
The card is not originally at the number..that is the whole point of the trick and the key distinguishing factor that makes it NOT an ACAAN.
It doesn't say in the description "Finally, the best solution to ACAAN" or hell.. "a semi moderately passable solution to ACAAN"...
it doesn't say ACAAN anywhere...

- And Yet -

Those 3 points are still equally accurate.

A number IS named.
A card IS thought of.
That card DOES appear at the named number.

If you want to sweat the little details then I'll point out it does say..."appears at"...not "is at".

Anyway my main point still stands....

Nothing against having an opinion on if a trick works for you or not.
But focusing on "how impractical" it is and "how drawn out" it is, is missing the whole point of magic imo.

Even if someone came out with the Holy Grail tomorrow, and it's everything we would want out of a perfect method, the true absolute holy grail where every single time with only one deck in a spectators hands from the beginning, where a card is FREELY NAMED, and a NUMBER FREELY named, and the spectator gets to remove the cards themselves EVERY SINGLE TIME, and immediately deal the cards!...face up too!...EVERY SINGLE TIME...and the NAMED CARD is AT the NUMBER NAMED....

As much as we magicians would collectively j**z our pants because we now have in our knowledge base the pure perfect method...

After ALL that perfect world stuff...

without presentation to back it up...

Spectators are still going to say....

"cool...so...now what? is that magic?"

Follow that up with a color change or a vanish and THAT'S what they'll discuss....not a card being at a number....
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We know it’s not an ACAAN, BUT it is advertised as one. Get it yet?? Smile
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I had a look, mostly to attempt to get some understanding about the principle. Too bad Rick doesn't know why it works. Oh well.

I found it interesting and creative. It is indeed fairly drawn out will not be applicable in too many situations, but I like the thinking behind it and it's fun to play around with. The change from a predicted number (as in the Bannon effect) to a named number is good.

I think the following would be a decent presentation (as mentalism rather than magic).

Instead of having the first person name a number, they write one down, and you subsequently p*** it.

After the card is 'thought of', then I take the deck back and openly move a card to a position, thereby reading the minds of both participants.

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We know it’s not an ACAAN, BUT it is advertised as one. Get it yet?? Smile


There's a difference between "sounds like" and "advertised as"....

I'd agree from the description it SOUNDS LIKE an ACAAN but nowhere does it implicitly state this IS an ACAAN.
Literally nowhere, not even in the video, where it even shows you it's not a typical ACAAN performance.
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It’s one of those card tricks where you need to insert a break in the middle in order for your specs to use the bathroom, check their emails, etc.
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