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Sudo has done such a great job with his commentary in this thread that I'm not going to repeat it all. I just want to underscore the elements of this effect that really baffle spectators.

The method is a little more procedural than I'd prefer, but all the spectator will remember is that they freely selected a card and a number, and the card appeared at that number. (As Sudo pointed out, they'll actually be convinced that the card moved from one position to another, which is even more powerful.) The best part is that you never actually know the selected card, and yet you still make it appear at the selected number. And the spectator knows you don't know what the card is, because they never named it or even touched it before it's revealed. I think this makes up for the bit of procedure to get there.

There are zero sleights, hardly even what I'd call a move, and you can (and should) use a borrowed, shuffled deck. The highest skill required is performing a single bit of arithmetic. Rick does his usual thorough and endearing job explaining everything on a well-produced video -- even to the point of slightly over-explaining how to do arithmetic for those who are truly math-phobic.

This is not the holy grail of ACAAN because it's procedural, but it's the only ACAAN I've seen so far that requires no setup, no gimmicks, and no sleights. And while the procedure is not entirely justified or motivated, spectators don't really care because the end effect is so strong. For less than $10, it's a bargain.
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I like it very much !

Can be done with any deck of cards, with no setup.

There is only one thing in the overall process that might ring a bell in the spectator's mind and make the whole thing less "pure" (cards in a box ?), but honestly it's not a problem at all because it can be justified.

The girlfriend test has been successful, and this trick will be done several times in the next weeks for sure.

In the end, a very good automatic trick. Yes, I put it in the "automatic card trick" category without any doubt, because I'm a mathematician (it's a joke, I'm not, but it's still an automatic trick to me)
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I’ve known about this principle for quite a while, but the way this has been used in this routine is fantastic...the small subtleties that have been added have really ramped up this principle to a magical level, it goes to show that the top magicians have so much more creativity than mere mortals like myself. Well done Rick Lax for giving us another great effect that I will do... the fact that any deck can be used to produce such a magical moment is brilliant, I have performed this only a couple of times so far and my presentation needs polishing up but the reactions from the spectator are great. They are convinced they know the position of their card so when you invisibly remove that card and place it into a position that was freely chosen just a couple of minutes before is pure magic. Some people will love this and some people won’t but I absolutely love it. I highly recommend this if you want to have a completely impromptu card effect that can be done with any deck of cards, this will play well for one spectator or lots of spectators
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The only negative I see, in my opinion, is in some situations you will have to count out a lot of cards. There is no way to make this entertaining to the audience members, especially when 30 or more cards are shown one at a time.
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On Aug 15, 2018, rowdymagi5 wrote:
The only negative I see, in my opinion, is in some situations you will have to count out a lot of cards. There is no way to make this entertaining to the audience members, especially when 30 or more cards are shown one at a time.




I do see your point, I will use this for those specific moments when someone says “I hear your a magician, show us a trick” (which happens quite often)
I always carry a deck with me but if they have a deck then that’s even better. I do see this as that sort of effect because of the potential time it takes depending on which number was chosen, so it is not an effect that will go into a set but a one off moment of magic
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Love acaan effects & always have from seeing magic legend David Berglas do it on me in his home.

This version by Rick is very good & very usuable.

Love his performance of it & the way he sets it out.

Rick is an excellent teacher & I agree with everything positive about this version.

I have done it a few times now & the impact on a lay audience is stunning & I dare say that some ( infact quite a few ) magicians will be fooled.

Well done Rick, thanks for releasing this ( it is worth a lot more than the asking price.

Mike Donoghue
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I can only agree with the positive comments regarding this effect, I was on the fence for well over 4 hours before my finger got twitchy over the paypal button and slipped and I am happy that it did slip.
I went through this a few times at work today and even though the one move worried me slightly nobody saw it at all! And there was me worrying like a scardy cat !

Excellent tuition from Rick and the funny move to lower the card in the deck made a few people chuckle then BAM how the hell did it get there was said at least 3 times.

Well worth the money.

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On Aug 15, 2018, DrRob wrote:
Excellent tuition from Rick and the funny move to lower the card in the deck made a few people chuckle then BAM how the hell did it get there was said at least 3 times.


See? Smile

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This is the same - or very similar - principle as used in Jack Birnman's "The Martian Clock Trick", which I received from Bob Kohler. Although Birnman's routine doesn’t give the spectator any options or choices and always has the card found at the same number. I think that Rick's routine is much more effective as well as more entertaining. Yes, there is counting involved - and I am not a fan of counting at all - but the result is stunning enough to make it worthwhile.

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Subjectively however, there's a lot I don't like, leaving me knowing I probably won't use this in the long run:

1. It's not a completely free choice of number (this is a very minor negative for me, doesn't bother me that much)
2. There's a section where Rick advocates walking away from the table, or at least turning around and facing away for a procedure to take place. The truth is, I think to be completely fair in the spectators eyes, walking away is the best option. But I don't like walking away from a table, nor am I a big fan of facing away from the table. Just not me, I don't Like breaking a flow of conversation.
3. There's a LOT of counting. Not in your head, but procedural counting. a reoccuring quibble with ACAAN (mentioned on the forums) is the drawn out time it takes for the number 30 upwards to be dealt out. Some fear that the audience will lose interest, and others bite back with something along the lines of " you lack presentations yada yada". The point is, times that length by 2 or 3, and you have around the amount of time it takes to complete the procedure for this. AND THEN the dealing happens. And the procedures are all counting based in some form.


All of these things are what makes up the Automatic Placement. I can only assume that you were unfamiliar with the principle Tom? Smile

Because I knew exactly what this would entail going into it, I was looking at it from an academic viewpoint. Would I recommend this for use at a paid gig? No. It just doesn't have the features that those environments require. Would I use it in casual situations? Absolutely. I think the end result is well worth the effort. Let's face it, the majority of people who will purchase this aren't professional performers and are likely going to enjoy this for what it is because there's no doubt about the deceptive abilities of the effect overall. Plain and simple, it's going to fool the heck out of any lay audience who sees it and even a fair number of magicians.

@ Last Laugh: To answer your question, "no". There's no possible way to pass this off as proper Mentalism - as presented. A card moves from a known position (apparently), to a named position without touching the deck - in effect. Any reasonably intelligent audience could not be convinced that the "powers of the mind" somehow accomplished this.

That said, you *could* play this off as Mentalism by changing the presentation and one simple addition. You would simply ask the participant to use her intuition and name the number where she believes the card will end up at the finish. Now proceed with the effect as described, omitting the part about invisibly moving the card. At the finish, the deck is on the table and the participants are convinced that they know where the card is located. You explain that you will now give the deck a single cut...which you do. I shouldn't need to explain what you actually do. Smile


I agree with all of the points you raise in regards to your reply to my review Sudo.

I've done the honourable thing and watched the full performance twice more. Under the guise that my initial view of it was skewed by that moment where he steps out of the room. I REALLY wasn't a fan of that moment and my only reasoning was that it isn't something I'd ever do...

But after 3 full watch throughs of the performance I can only say that it's better then my original viewing had me think.

For $10 you can't go wrong. Although I was and am aware of the principle, the lack of direction or justification for it did put me to sleep a bit.. but had he provided a full routine with a script that made sense of every moment I'd say the download would have been worth a heck load more than $10.

My first viewing I completely missed the part of the magic behind it: the fact that the person who is thinking of the card knows its "current position". Of course that's obvious, and technically I knew that first time round. But on watching a second time, Rick turns to her and casually says (paraphrasing) "Now I need to move it into position, and of course you know where your card is now right?" To which she replies "yeah". It was said so casually that I missed how important that moment is, as I wasnt tracking which card was hers. As an external viewer, it felt like a card from unknown location moves to known (and chosen by spectator) location with no moves. But considerig before the magical moment happens, the card is in a KNOWN and tangible position, it makes all the more impossible. Add to that you, the performer really doesn't know that information as it's secret.

Still haven't performed this yet, but when I do I'll be making sure to emphasise that point more than anything. ESPECIALLY if there are others viewing that aren't directly involved with the trick (like me when viewing on video).
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Got this. Will review once I get to play with it a bit.
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My first viewing I completely missed the part of the magic behind it: the fact that the person who is thinking of the card knows its "current position". Of course that's obvious, and technically I knew that first time round. But on watching a second time, Rick turns to her and casually says (paraphrasing) "Now I need to move it into position, and of course you know where your card is now right?" To which she replies "yeah". It was said so casually that I missed how important that moment is, as I wasnt tracking which card was hers.


That's great to hear Tom. That detail is really a very important and valuable part of this effect and was the part I liked best. I think Rick could have really played that part up a lot more than he did on the video, but even the simple agreement he got from the participant was good enough. Personally, I would be milking that moment for all it's worth. Smile

Glad you reviewed it again. I'm sure that when you do eventually get around to performing it that you'll be more than pleased with the result.
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As quite a novice in magic, I bought this recently and was quite impressed with it!

Looking at the promotional vid, I was gobsmacked at how the thought of card arrived at the chosen number and then watching the solution, I was equally amazed at how simple the explanation was and that it just worked using an equally simple bit of math and again, a simple move, too!

I guess the only negative I can see is possibly the counting aspect if more than 30 cards are selected and also, the need to place the selected quantity of cards into the empty card box as there doesn't seem to be any justification in actually putting them in the box as these aren't used again in the trick, but these are minor points.

All in all, for such a low price, you can't really go wrong -its certainly the best ACAAN trick I have purchased....

;)
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Rick has taken a lot of heat for some of his misses but this is definitely one of his 'hits'. Let's give the man credit for a job VERY well-done! While this is more of an impromptu effect for casual situations I have no doubt that it will hit hard. What's especially nice is having no set-up, the deck could be borrowed, and it's easy-to-do. This will surely stay in my working repertoire for certain situations. There's a lot to like about this one and Rick's teaching is of course always very thorough.
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Well stated, Jared! This effect is especially good for those moments such as at wedding receptions after all the plates have been cleared.

Rick, I know you re reading this... CONGRATULATONS!!! WELL DONE!!! Just by watching the trailer and reading the description I had a really strong feeling that this wasn't going to become a "bottom file on the hardrive". Smile
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On Aug 14, 2018, MadisonH wrote:
Basically, this allows me to do something which looks very similar to Pit Hatlings ACAAN's (geuinely THE BEST ACAAN I've ever read, and I feel like I'm the only one using it. It gets incredible reactions.)


Madison, this effect you quoted was published somewhere?
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On Aug 14, 2018, MadisonH wrote:
Basically, this allows me to do something which looks very similar to Pit Hatlings ACAAN's (geuinely THE BEST ACAAN I've ever read, and I feel like I'm the only one using it. It gets incredible reactions.)


Madison, this effect you quoted was published somewhere?



Card Fictions by Pit Hartling. Smile

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Excellent self worker and if you present it well as Rick did in the live performance can be a real fooler. Highly recommended.
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If you don't want to have to think about the math. I came up with a practical solution. Simply write a crib on the face of a blank face card and 'miscall' it as a joker since they need to be removed from the deck anyway. A quick glance will give you the secret "number". While the math is very easy, in certain situations it's nice knowing you got it right without having to stress. Alternatively, you could put the crib between the cellophane of the card box or on the pad where you write the number.
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Madison, LOVE your suggestions for performance on this one. Thanks!
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