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Sigh... Another half a--ed demo video.

Why is it so hard to simply perform the effect, like I was in a brink and mortar store and see the effect from beginning to end ?
I do not need Rick explaining to me what the effect looks like, when he can simply do it.

Nor do I care about audience reactions.

Sigh :-(

While it may be a great effect.... these demo videos drive me crazy and make me suspicious that in reality, the effect is not as good as described.
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I do not need Rick explaining to me what the effect looks like, when he can simply do it.
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While it may be a great effect.... these demo videos drive me crazy and make me suspicious that in reality, the effect is not as good as described.


I understand how you feel, and I share those same feelings; it's very annoying.

One thing to note is that before the internet magic shops if the brick and mortar magic store employee didn't know much about the effect, the only way to understand the effect is to read its description, which is worse than having no video at all. In my experience, many of the effects, especially new effects, were not performed by the store employees. That's just from my personal experience. I'm sure some stores try to demo the newest effects. Even so, I used to order a lot of magic from mail-order catalogs, which solely relied on the creators' written description, which was quite often misleading.

The two things that annoy me the most is when people start off by saying, "Imagine..." I'm thinking, I don't need to imagine because you are shooting a video, so just show me. I can't stand being told how I should perceive things.
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On Aug 20, 2018, Expertmagician wrote:
Sigh... Another half a--ed demo video.

Why is it so hard to simply perform the effect, like I was in a brink and mortar store and see the effect from beginning to end ?
I do not need Rick explaining to me what the effect looks like, when he can simply do it.

Nor do I care about audience reactions.

Sigh :-(

While it may be a great effect.... these demo videos drive me crazy and make me suspicious that in reality, the effect is not as good as described.


I agree, but they don't want magicians trying to backtrack into the secret.

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There are major differences between a publicly posted full performance and seeing a demo in a B&M shop.

With a video, you can watch it as many times as you want. The magic store, usually just once. Also misdirection - which is an important part of many effects, doesn't work the same way on video.

Finally - the amount of people who go into a B&M shop is a miniscule fraction of the amount of people who watch magic demos online.



However, let's not derail. This isn't the right place for this discussion.
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Also, if the trailer doesn’t meet the standards of the buyer in this particular case. Read the description. He flat out gives you two fantastic sources for the underlying principle that are in print in very common books. I have both of the books, I have played with the John Bannon effect which plays very well (I do not own any of the “Move Zero” DVD’s since I have the book but the effect (Bannon’s version) may be on one of them). I think for under $15, this may be worth picking up to get a “visual” representation of the principle. It is a tough one to wrap your head around “why and how” it works even when you know. Similar to Simon Aronson’s “Undue Influence” - a fantastic principle that just works but my brain hurts a little trying to figure out “why” it works. Both principles make for great magic though, and the beauty is - you don’t “have” to understand why they work to put them to use in the effects.
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Marlo published in Faro Notes a 'Variation On Automatic Placement' which seems more like the principle which would be used here since it offers a lot of flexibility when doing the required "replacement".
I can tell what sort of math is involved for an ACAAN routine like this one using this principle. It's not so cumbersome if you are used to simple arithmetics but I would probably not perform this if not sober.
I agree that the principle in itself is a thing of beauty and very cleverly disguised and just for that, this is certainly a great purchase (although the Marlo notes for a similar price have way more to offer).
For someone familiar with the replacement principle who would buy this, would he just get a nice subtlety to help with the re-positioning or is there something more?
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I haven't read all the comments so apologies for any overlap:


PROS

Rick Lax is awesome. I love hearing the guy talk.

The production quality is everything you’d expect from Rick.

The teaching is crystal clear.

You can do an ACAAN (of sorts) using a borrowed, shuffled deck. We generally underestimate the value of being able to do something off the cuff and overestimate our willingness to carry gimmicks around.

CONS

If you’re expecting this to look like the description or demo video, you’ll be disappointed.

There’s a lot of unjustified procedure in getting to a chosen card. Obviously there has to be something more than what’s written in the description, but the procedure here is laborious and without reason. Why is the spectator doing x,y and z to get to their card? Bob King (who should also be credited) had an Invisible Deck effect where spec never even names their card, using a similar procedure. But in his case there was a clear rationale. Here, there is none.

As somebody else mentioned, you can probably get away with performing this for one person but the procedure (additional numbers) makes even less sense.
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I've started performing Asi Wind's ACAAN, I'd say this is a nice substitute when things are stirred. It's true this is a little procedural and I won't be using this at all my walkaround gigs. It's good to know and have in your arsenal when you have the time
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Blindside785--would you say this/Where it has to go would be good for hobbyists doing easy effects for family and friends at dinner parties etc? thanks
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Blindside785--would you say this/Where it has to go would be good for hobbyists doing easy effects for family and friends at dinner parties etc? thanks

Absolutely, this has easy to remember procedures that would make this very appealing for that setting.I would do it in that type of arena.
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Great, thanks Blindside!
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Got it. Like it.

Rick takes the direction of kinda a magic trick(but it is 😜) A better mentalist theme could really jazz this up a little for sure
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A truly terrible effect. An ACAAN for people who have no appreciation or understanding of the power of The Berglas Effect.

Where It Has To Go? Into the online equivalent of the bottom drawer -next to Killer Red Caps.
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Killer Red Caps- Ouch
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A truly terrible effect. An ACAAN for people who have no appreciation or understanding of the power of The Berglas Effect.

Where It Has To Go? Into the online equivalent of the bottom drawer -next to Killer Red Caps.


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Take it for what it’s worth since I’m only a hobbyist who does magic for friends and family, but I love this trick. Likely because I’m always doing magic for the same people (or maybe because I’m still learning) Im always getting asked about the deck or whatever. I love that this trick can be done with a borrowed deck. It’s incredibly easy to do for someone still learning like myself and it blows people away.

I agree with the criticisms. I too felt a little bamboozeld after seeing the trick from beginning to end and the trick is a little convoluted, but it hasn’t been an issue for anyone I’ve explained it to yet. If you’re looking for something you can do on the fly with no setup, for more of a beginner, and a borrowed deck this is a great trick to use.
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On Aug 21, 2018, Martin Pulman wrote:
A truly terrible effect. An ACAAN for people who have no appreciation or understanding of the power of The Berglas Effect.

Where It Has To Go? Into the online equivalent of the bottom drawer -next to Killer Red Caps.


BINGO. Been trying to tell people this. We owe our specs more.

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