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WayneBurrows New user Palmerston North, New Zealand 72 Posts |
I have a deck that has been shuffled and I have separated it into two halves with one half having the odd cards and the other the even cards according to the stack numbers. Each half is in a shuffled order not a stack order. Alternatively, the top half could comprise cards 1-26 and the bottom 27-52 but each half is not in order.
Does anyone have any suggestions or recommendations for effects I can do with the deck in this state? Obviously, I could do something like have a card selected from the top half and lost in the bottom half or vice verca and then I could easily find the card but I am looking for something more sophisticated. Also, I do not want to hand out the two halves and do a memory effect that shows I know all of the cards in each half - that or its equivalent is coming later in the routine I am working on. I am looking for some filler effect to break the monotony of partially sorting the deck while going through it twice. |
marc_carrion Special user 639 Posts |
Are you getting to it after Neither Blind nor Stupid from Tamariz? if not, you can faro the two halves and go into that, it is a basically the pick from one half return on the other but with a different construction. And at the end you are in the same exact position you are describing. Another option is to jump into a packet trick, you can get few cards from one of the halves and go into something with just that small packet.
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WayneBurrows New user Palmerston North, New Zealand 72 Posts |
Thanks. I will look up Neither Blind nor Stupid from Tamariz.
I am trying to routine getting a shuffled deck into stack order. My idea is to hand out four rather than two packets and call for the cards. I can't find a four separation that I like so I am having to do that with two two separations. But that takes some time, so I wanted to break the monotony with an effect half way. It takes me a little over two minutes currently to do the two two separations required and I am not sure how good I will be at multi tasking with patter during that time. |
WayneBurrows New user Palmerston North, New Zealand 72 Posts |
Thanks again. Neither Blind nor Stupid was better than I even imagined.
I did not know Neither Blind nor Stupid by that name and I had not seen Tamariz perform it. I did know and do the same trick from a memorised deck with the aid of a glimpse. In fact it was one of the effects I was proposing to do once the deck was in memorised deck order. With no glimpse necessary from this partially ordered stack this is very powerful as the spectator can handle the cards after the faro. In addition after the two packets have been dealt then the spectators can shuffle each packet dispelling any hint of an ordered deck and other methods like a key card. In addition for my purpose under the guise of looking through the packets for the selections - which I am really doing - I can also perform the second separation and I have the four packets I require. Another addition, after the second separation, is that I can now repeat the Neither Blind nor Stupid effect but with four spectators and not two. To prepare for this I give the deck two faros. I have four selections made and cut and deal as before but into four piles. It is a simple to find the odd card in each pile. |
JBSmith1978 Veteran user NY 389 Posts |
No need to glimpse when in memdeck.
Also check out Harry’s revised version in Jawdroppers One. Might as well check out Euphoria by Adrian Guerra while you’re at it. |
WayneBurrows New user Palmerston North, New Zealand 72 Posts |
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On Aug 22, 2018, JBSmith1978 wrote: Thanks. You might need to glimpse with a memdeck. Say you dribble the cards and ask a spectator to stop and have two cards selected then by glimpsing you immediately know the two cards and can perform an effect like Neither Blind nor Stupid. This was what I had in mind for my routine later but I like the same effect with a slightly different method earlier without the glimpse. |
WayneBurrows New user Palmerston North, New Zealand 72 Posts |
Sorry yes I understand you do not need to glimpse. What a glimpse gives you is time - you know the two selected cards immediately without having to look through the two packets.
Incidentally, with my idea of doing a separation while looking through one of the two packets, I now have two smaller packets and one out of place card. It is relatively easy to look through the two smaller packets - a quarter of the deck - and note the missing card so that you can devine the second card without looking through the second packet. This could add a layer to the effect. The first card is found by looking and the second without even looking at through the packet. |
marc_carrion Special user 639 Posts |
If you are going to go the route of fully stack when you get to it, I would recommend the new DVD set from Juan Tamariz "Magic from my heart". There are a couple of variations on neither blind nor stupid that use that ideas, and yes, you don't need to peek. You find one card and you know the other one right away. I think he calls it neither deaf nor stupid. My original recommendation was based on the condition you explained at the beginning. You have your 1-26 and 27-52 sets separated, but not in full order. In that case you can do neither blind nor stupid with that separation instead of a color separation. That's included in Juan's Mnemonica book as tricks that can be improved with the use of mnemonica. The sequence that Adrian Guerra explains in Euphoria is also covered in mnemonica. If you don't have that book I highly recommend it because you can get lots of ideas there that you can use.
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WayneBurrows New user Palmerston North, New Zealand 72 Posts |
Thanks again I have Mneumonica as well as Aronson's Try the Impossible and Bound to Please and various other bits and pieces. They have been lying around for around 10 years or more gathering dust but I have had a resurgence of interest in these methods.
I learnt Aronson first many years ago and then the Tamariz stack. I have performed various things in the past like the Invisible Deck type routine with a stack but only casually or at the local magic club. I have come to my interest in magic from being a children's variety entertainer in an earlier life - juggling, unicycling, magic and anything silly. Over the years I have done the odd adult show but not really straight magic. Knowing Aronson and Mneumonica I have also experimented with tricks that use two stacks. I would be interested in any ideas on that line. I did a trick that used two stack at the magic club earlier this month. Although it was not really a memdeck trick as I cheated with a crib sheet. It just relied on the two decks being in a known order - the same order would work but would look more suspicious in my view - and with one cut a chosen card was in the same position in both decks. Although I hid the cut so that it appeared the decks had 'only' that card in the same position. Not quite "only" as there are some coincidence between the two stacks - h10, sQ and d9 if they are the chosen cards and others that can occur after a cut. But it looks different if you just spread quickly. You can hide the cut in many ways, for example a pass. I hid the cut as I was removing the cards from the box having said from the beginning that the second deck was a prediction deck. |
langston3711 Loyal user Cumming, GA 218 Posts |
I agree with JBSmith1978. Get Euphoria by Adrian Guerra to learn his effect Thermamagic which is a variation of a Tamariz effect from Mnemonica. I use it in my sequence from a shuffled deck to eventually set up Mnemonica. It's basically the same effect as Tamariz but with a somewhat logical theme. The Euphoria dvd is great as it teaches 2 complete acts on mem deck work, one of which starts with a fully shuffled deck.
When a magician lets you notice something on your own, his lie becomes impenetrable
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WayneBurrows New user Palmerston North, New Zealand 72 Posts |
Adrian Guerra deals four piles and finds the four fours. In a similar situation Tamariz deals four bridge hands and then find it is a misdeal and after finding one card on the floor repeats to get the perfect hands. Alternatively, Tamariz deals sixteen piles into new deck order. I like the bridge theme as I am a bridge player.
Guerra's routine is magical whereas Tamariz's is comedic at the same point. However, I feel Guerra's is slightly forced with two cards on the top of the piles and two on the bottom. Are there any other suggestions for magical effects from the mirror stack to get to the stack from which you can deal four perfect suits? |
rmorrell Loyal user 262 Posts |
Hi Wayne,
I tend to do two things once out to Mirror Stack, either a matching mates effect, Allan Ackerman's version of Marlo's routine is good, or Denis Behr's one in his new book. Or as you say get to new deck order, Woody Aragon's High Card routine from Memorandum also works with Mnemonica once out to stay stack, and combines both routines you can do a matching mates routine, and then end in new deck order, he also deals out 4 piles, and finds the four aces, and then shows that the rest of the cards are back in new deck order. Also on Woody's new DVD set look at his The Show DVD as TeleTriumph II will also work with Mnemonica, essentially you start with a deck in mnemonica, and fairly shuffle half face up into half face down to create chaos, and do a trick from that situation and then during the course of the routine you get back to a situation where you can put the deck back into stay-stack and end by dealing piles of face up and face down cards, they all become face down (hence the triumph reference) apart from the selections and you turn the deck over and show the deck is now back in new deck order and the spectators 3 or 4 selections are in the proper place in the new deck. You can probably work out how to change this to work with Mnemonica, thinking about it you could probably start out with a shuffled deck, and do some of the Guerra routines to get to the point of the face up and face down condition and then carry on from there, I think you have sparked me to have a play in this direction! |
WayneBurrows New user Palmerston North, New Zealand 72 Posts |
Thanks Rich.
I have Allan Ackerman on VHS it is so old. Not sure I have a VHS player to watch it. |
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