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Dave Scribner
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Dan, the gimmick allows a sleeve toss type of production without wearing sleeves.
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I sort of agree with Dan. This gimmick only allows side arm production NO front toss.

I must admit Greg Frewin is one of the Best dove worker in the world, unfortunately for this gimmmick, I will think twice to buy it cos I saw 3 live shows & Greg Frewin's One hr special Magic at Sea, twice it flashes.

For the 3 live shows I saw, it flash once because I am sitting on the extreme left. The other 2 times, I was sitting the the front. So was perfect. This looks sort like a card producing gimmick on your back palm, instead with cards but is a dove. Angle is very limited & critical, not mentioning after the dove is produced, you again need to dispose the gimmick. Hence I will still go for sleeve load.

On his one hour TV special, it flashes twice when he produce it from the ROPE/Knot routine to dove and a little when he (with gimmick in hand) hold another dove & 'slice' it becomes 2 doves. This special is shown on Canada network. I belive Greg uses 2 gimmicks for his dove act.

But still I admire his creativity of combining the idea of a card producing device with a dove for his act. I believe sometimes he comes out with his sleeve folded up first before releasing them. This really shows that there is nothing up the sleeve. Overall this is still a brillant invention, unfortunately I am unable to use it...but I will keep a watch out for his future products which I am sure it will be great like the 2 bag bounch into the bag ..change into doves....etc Smile

Hope this helps Smile
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Really you can't do a front toss? I came across the add in Magic and it says that you can do a front toss or side arm toss. Interesting!

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Hi MDS

I can't really comment whether front toss is workable, but from my personal view is impossible because gimmicks with dove on back hand, how to toss straight, unless 45 degree hands up? Dove will land on the floor. That's not workable, not mentioning you still need get rid of the gimmick. Toss to tail pocket..hmm?

Anyway Greg uses only side arm on his act with his Rope/Knot to dove & cutting the dove into 2, all side arm.

Though the dove not in sleeve, but sleeve must still be down to hide the gimmick more. If sleeve folds up, only arms. I'm not sure if entire gimmick can be conceal fully with just the arm & hand.

Anyway what I saw Greg does is he came out with his sleeve folded up. After a while, he pulls his sleeve down before he uses the gimmick. Or perhaps the gimmick has been modified to fit WITHOUT wearing sleeve, then I may buy one to test it out. But if with sleeve still down, then it serve no purpose because the audeince might think the dove still comes from sleeve (sleeve small or big does not make a difference to the audience), unless wearing no sleeve and dove can be produced, without angle problem. Then this is a great gimmick. Me the first to buy Smile

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That is very true.

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I don't know, it seems like a hefty investiment for a gimmick that is pretty testy. Does anyone own it yet and if so what's your experience with it?
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I agree! I would need to hear more about it from someone who owns it.
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It is a hefty investment, but very intriguing (which is why I checked out this topic). I may be mistaken, but several years ago, when Frewin first started using the gimmick, he had sleeves that looked like a grid (or a net) and you could see through the sleeve, to his arm, and out the back. That would eliminate the possibility that the loads were coming out of the sleeve and make the toss production more impressive. However, one needs to ask if the audience is really looking at that. If anyone has experience with the gimmick, I'd be interested in hearing what you think of it's practicality.
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I agree.

I would like to hear if anyone has bought the gimmick? And how it has turned out?

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Though I saw Greg perform live thrice & don't quite like the idea of the gimmick. I still buy it because I love to collect dove magic effects. Also I have 3 flyback doves. will try it with my third bird, but it seems a long time to get here. Greg Frewin posted about 2 weeks but I yet to receive, I will post a review when I receive them anytime now.
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I was just watching his dove act on 'The Greatest Magic on Earth' and I don't beleive he uses the gimmick. He uses a sleeve toss when he does the knot to dove. You can see him flick open the thing holding his sleeve shut just before he does it. Therefore the gimmick isn't used. Also, there isn't a moment before he does the knot to dove that he could gain posession of the dove. Just a thought.

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Watch his 1 hr special, MAGIC AT SEA. He uses 2 of this gimmick for his knot to dove & cutting the dove into 2 with knife.

In 1994, he is still using the sleeve method, actually, the sleeve looks more clean to me Smile

But if you combined both the sleeve & this gimmick,maybe it will works fine to fool the audience......I am not too sure...just hope the gimmick is not too big for my hand as Greg flashes himself too.......hope to receive 2day...
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A bit pricey considering you could just do a regular dove toss.....
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Any one wants to resale his DVD set? I can't afford to pay the full price now.
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I hear that it is awesome though.

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Can anyone give some more details about the actual effects taught on this? Does it range from beginner to intermediate or is it just beginner tricks.
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I am in search of a dove production, something that is classy but fits in my trunk/ case. For my other dove I use a dove pan.
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Dove Streamer is a very good option and only runs about $65. I have it listed on my sight.

I am not sure about what you mean by "Classy". I do understand the packing problems so I won't even mention my Dove Production Cage that Rick Thomas uses.

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Hi All,
I am new here so if I am doing this wrong, I apologize right up front. I have purchased Greg Frewins Sleeveless Dove Gimmick. It hasnt arrived yet, I got an e-mail from Greg and it should be here this week. Plus he has added an improvement so that is exciting! From speaking to him regarding this item, it is much like other gimmicks in that, it is designed to fool "those in the know". It is the performer, not the gimmick, that truly creates the magic. I will post again when I receive it and ofer my opinion, but I am guessing I will love it. Greg is a great guy and creates / produces very nice items. Regarding the DVD's.....BUY THEM TODAY! Period. They tell you everything you need to know about how to create your own Dove act.
Thanks for listening,
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I do not own the gimmick in discussion, but I have played with it while Greg looked on and told me how... It is a very cool, very clever gimmick that will suit some peoples needs, but not all. Basically, one advantage is the obvious, not having the bird loaded in your sleeve. You can load it in the gimmick, earlier than you would in your sleeve. Dove is comfortable, and you can worry about other presets... Most people know, NOT having a bird in your sleeve is more comfortable than having a bird in your sleeve, because of this, most sleeve tosses have to be at the opening of the act, not this one. Also, you can do what looks like a sleeve toss (one of the strongest visual ways to produce a dove) with a normal coat, not tailored. Plus there are lots of sublties that can be taken advantage of... one being, you could push your sleeves up early in your act, subconsciencly telling the audience that nothing is hiding up there, let them down later, and then use the gimmick. Greg is not trying to replace loading birds in the sleeve. He has just provided another excellent option. Again, not everyone will be able to use it, but the people who find that their act lends itself to this gimmick, will highly benefit!!!
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