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On May 30, 2019, Magicalos wrote:
Wow its been awhile since any last news...anyone know or hear of anything? (im guessing not) getting close to throwing in the towel on this...f@#$ing ridiculous if you ask me...its been YEARS and we don't have something we paid good money for....


Perhaps it was only I that was able to predict the future back when he advertised this.
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On May 30, 2019, Magicalos wrote:
Wow its been awhile since any last news...anyone know or hear of anything? (im guessing not) getting close to throwing in the towel on this...f@#$ing ridiculous if you ask me...its been YEARS and we don't have something we paid good money for....


Perhaps it was only I that was able to predict the future back when he advertised this.


You should go on next years BGT predictions are now the big thing!
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Just had one listed for sale here on the Café so it looks like Ruben Padilla got his anyway. So maybe more folks have gotten them than we are aware.
Such a weird and strange thing though. Still cannot believe Dave Forrest would be such a scoundrel.
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Just had one listed for sale here on the Café so it looks like Ruben Padilla got his anyway. So maybe more folks have gotten them than we are aware.
Such a weird and strange thing though. Still cannot believe Dave Forrest would be such a scoundrel.


Strange you wait 3 years for it to turn up

Then put in on sale
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Wish kickstarter had some protection for backers for this very reason....never backing anything magic again...thanks you turd of a human you ruined it for many people so I hope we all come away learning a valuable lesson here :/
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So, is it true that Full 52 has been dissolved?

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09475756

The website appears to still be up. The only people I've heard of lately who have received their Cubism were people who placed an order for something from Full52 and also put in a special request to have their Cubism shipped with their order. But if the company has been dissolved, that may no longer be an option either.
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Good bloody riddance.
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The company dissolving doesn't mean it cant trade, it just means it's not limited company any more.
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The company dissolving doesn't mean it cant trade, it just means it's not limited company any more.


Unless British laws are different, I think you're confusing public company with a private company. If you mean by "can't trade" that they can't be traded on the stock exchange, that is for a company that has gone public and trades on the stock exchange. I don't think they were ever a public company.

If by saying they are not a limited company, you are referring to the type of company structure such as an LLC or a C Corp, that has nothing to do with being able to trade. That is how the company is registered. A company, to do business, has to be registered in some manner and if not registered, they are essentially not a company and cannot do business.
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The problem is in the UK

He can set up a new company with a different name and all your debts from the old one is forgotten!
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”A strike off, also known as a dissolution, occurs when a company's legal existence is removed from the Companies House register.”

https://www.companyrescue.co.uk/guides-k......ff-4295/

”From the date of dissolution, any assets of a dissolved company will be ‘bona vacantia’. Bona vacantia means ‘vacant goods’ and is the technical name for property that passes to the Crown because it does not have a legal owner. The company’s bank account will be frozen and any credit balance in the account will be passed to the Crown.”

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicatio......toration
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”A strike off, also known as a dissolution, occurs when a company's legal existence is removed from the Companies House register.”

https://www.companyrescue.co.uk/guides-k......ff-4295/

”From the date of dissolution, any assets of a dissolved company will be ‘bona vacantia’. Bona vacantia means ‘vacant goods’ and is the technical name for property that passes to the Crown because it does not have a legal owner. The company’s bank account will be frozen and any credit balance in the account will be passed to the Crown.”

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicatio......toration



So we will get Cubism sent to us by the Queen? or ... as likely to get it from the Queen as from Dave. lol!

IN seriousness though... Does this mean that the stock can be sold on by someone else? I am wondering if there is a big Box of Cubism sat there that can now be sold to others even though I paid upfront. I know its crowdfunding not shopping and I was never guaranteed to get it. Still a bit of a bummer.

Dave
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On Jul 27, 2019, YNG wrote:
”A strike off, also known as a dissolution, occurs when a company's legal existence is removed from the Companies House register.”

https://www.companyrescue.co.uk/guides-k......ff-4295/

”From the date of dissolution, any assets of a dissolved company will be ‘bona vacantia’. Bona vacantia means ‘vacant goods’ and is the technical name for property that passes to the Crown because it does not have a legal owner. The company’s bank account will be frozen and any credit balance in the account will be passed to the Crown.”

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicatio......toration



So we will get Cubism sent to us by the Queen? or ... as likely to get it from the Queen as from Dave. lol!

IN seriousness though... Does this mean that the stock can be sold on by someone else? I am wondering if there is a big Box of Cubism sat there that can now be sold to others even though I paid upfront. I know its crowdfunding not shopping and I was never guaranteed to get it. Still a bit of a bummer.

Dave


I can give you even money on certain magic dealer who will be selling them shortly in fact funny they always have in stock
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Part of the "confusion" (I know that's not the right word) is due to the product he already had out is/was called Cubism. The thing that we, stupidly, backed on Kickstarter (which as they say is NOT shopping and you do take a risk) is called Cubism Maestro.

That said all the 'pitch' at the start was all "everything is in place " easy project rubbish that we believed in good faith.


Oh well .... Live and learn.....funny that he just sent out a voucher for a free £5 DVDs download.... So clearly a last ditched attempt to revive Full52. Sad really...definitely frustrating.
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This is the part that I think frustrates me the most. The idea that anonymous backers of the KS (myself included) pledged unprotected donations to complete an order that was purchased and wholesaled by a magic company who (I’m assuming) had contacted Dave for exclusive rights to market Cubism Maestro.

So Dave got paid in full for rights. Then used other people’s money to complete his order to the Magic shop linked above and gets off Scott free.

Literally someone change my mind on this because it’s how it looks at the moment.
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Is there any sort of legal action that can be taken or are the KS backers just burned?
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This is the part that I think frustrates me the most. The idea that anonymous backers of the KS (myself included) pledged unprotected donations to complete an order that was purchased and wholesaled by a magic company who (I’m assuming) had contacted Dave for exclusive rights to market Cubism Maestro.

So Dave got paid in full for rights. Then used other people’s money to complete his order to the Magic shop linked above and gets off Scott free.

Literally someone change my mind on this because it’s how it looks at the moment.



Interesting theory.

I was wondering about Kerala action too. Wondered about small claims court. But not sure one could do anything with it...

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Ohhh so I CAN get my Cubism then..... If I'm willing to pay for it again!
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If the above is true, I wouldn't say Dave got off free. He's ruined his reputation beyond repair. If you go back in the Café a long time, there have always been complaints about not getting product from Dave. Nothing new, but this was a big one.
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Apologies. Here’s my amendment.

“Scott free” = 2 handsome paydays and a comfy retirement from the magic community.
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