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aligator Inner circle Canada 2044 Posts |
You said it better than I did Mindpro. Am in complete agreement with those thoughts.
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Steven Conner Inner circle 2720 Posts |
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On Nov 20, 2018, Mindpro wrote: I have seen Charles Gauci perform many times and he killed with. I really doubt there was much self gratification. Most I've seen are not as fluid as Charles and their presentation is lacking. Charles book covers some really nice nuances about this effect never before shared. Best Steve
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
I respect your thoughts Steve, as I too have seen Charles perform this both live and on DVD. As I said, some performers have done it and he is more likely the exception than the rule. I just wasn't that impressed with it, especially in the live performance I experienced. Nothing against Charles at all, as I know as performers we all have good shows, great shows and some that are just off, it happens to all of us, which I suspect is what happened at the show I saw. While I will agree it was one of the better ones I have seen and professionalism and management certainly is the key factor here, it just didn't do much for me.
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JuanPoop Loyal user Luckily for you, I only have 210 Posts |
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On Nov 21, 2018, Mindpro wrote: This thread has aged somewhat, but having read through it all, I got curious about your book. Did it happen? I have been collecting some of these effects and still in the info gathering phase, but I can see it fitting in with the 1on1 and small audience stuff that I do.
aka Lucky John
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Matt Pulsar Inner circle 1130 Posts |
1. It’s simple to understand, everyone plays it as a child in every culture.
2. everyone wishes to be a master of it. 3. The audience plays along and tries to also guess which hand with you. It’s mentally interactive. If they are also correct, they feel connected to you, if they are wrong, they respect your ability to be consistently right. 4. It’s dramatic. It’s more exciting each time you’re right. (Even if you’re wrong once.) 5. It legitimises things that follow it that are statistically more amazing.
Belief Manifests Reality.
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trebeseer New user S FL 53 Posts |
Wes Iseli does a great coin toss routine. Only 2 choices.
Here he is on Fool Us. https://youtu.be/rQ0YN7RpvFQ |
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JuanPoop Loyal user Luckily for you, I only have 210 Posts |
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On Sep 20, 2021, trebeseer wrote: That was an awesome routine. Is it available!?!
aka Lucky John
Sydney, Australia |
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JuanPoop Loyal user Luckily for you, I only have 210 Posts |
Never mind - I found it. He has it for sale on his website.
aka Lucky John
Sydney, Australia |
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Mr. Mindbender Inner circle 1566 Posts |
You could buy that effect for $100, or you could spend $65 and buy Bruce Bernstein's Unreal book - which is filled not only with the major part of that routine, but also enough material to fill an entire show, and actually an entire career, with fantastic routines!! And then, if you want a version of that coin flip that works perfectly well with the routine - you could spend $65 on Unveil by Manos, and again, have much more than one effect - that book is filled with terrific material as well.
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JuanPoop Loyal user Luckily for you, I only have 210 Posts |
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On Sep 20, 2021, Mr. Mindbender wrote: Thanks for that, good advice. Will check them both out.
aka Lucky John
Sydney, Australia |
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David Thiel Inner circle Western Canada...where all that oil is 4005 Posts |
I think Which Hand is a great effect. I've done this in every show. The difference is that I bring four people up -- hand one a coin -- ask them to make a huddle and then make a straight line with their hands out in front of them in closed fists. It's a great way to have some fun with the volunteers, lots of laughter -- and, as Matt said above -- they like to play along. I've done it with a lie detector theme, a body language theme, an "I can read your face" theme. It's just a great fun routine to do in the show before getting to the heavier material...at least it is for me.
David
Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears. Bears will kill you.
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Stunninger Inner circle 2819 Posts |
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On Sep 20, 2021, Mr. Mindbender wrote: Well said, Mr. Mindbender! . |
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Deckstacker Elite user Sunny SoCal 442 Posts |
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On Oct 7, 2021, David Thiel wrote: I certainly appreciated your encouraging words, David. I'd hate to think that I just recently shelled out the big bucks for a Flux device for nothing, but I was starting to think so until you gave me the idea to do a routine with several people (kids/teens in my case) at once. Lining them all up facing forward will also (I hope) help to keep them more focused on me and less on trying to impress their peers. Great stuff, thanks again!
Never try to teach a pig how to sing. You will waste your time, and it annoys the pig.
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celebrity Inner circle 1961 Posts |
Whilst I haven’t read all of the posts within this topic, I can take an educated guess that most of the comments made have not taken the following into consideration when posting their opinions -
When we consider the strength of a routine we have to consider many different factors, the one thing I don’t hear many talking about is the ‘when’. Is which hand a strong closer? Probably not…. Is which hand a strong routine to perform mid set? Probably not…is which hand a good opener… without a doubt!!!! Note: as always there are exceptions to every rule. My point being is that in the right ‘context’ which hand can be super strong. It is quick, punchy, extremely easy to understand and requires minimal effort on the participants part, thus allowing the performer to very quickly establish his credentials in a very efficient way. To highlight this take the strongest effect you know and ask yourself, is it quick, simple to understand, require little thought/instruction on the participants part and can it involve the full audience? If not then then you are miss-classifying the value/strength of an effect without considering the context in which it was designed for. Does Derren use it as a closer (No) but does he still use it (Yes) because it is a perfect opening routine (just as a perfect closer would make a very poor opener). These are the same reasons (as listed above) why Timon and many others choose to showcase this routine in tallent shows such as fool us etc. This isn’t because this is the strongest routine that they know, it is simply that this is the strongest routine that they can perform to establish themselves and fool people in a fast efficient way that is simple enough for anyone to understand given the time constraints they have. Just like an opener, it quickly and efficiently establishes the skills of the performer. In short there is no perfect routine, instead there is a perfect routine for each situation. Best Wishes to All. Michael
As a mentalist you must always ask yourself what if! And throughout your life you should seek to ask and answer this question over and over again, only then will your wildest dreams become a reality!
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countrymaven Inner circle 1426 Posts |
I like David Thiel's take on this. Transform it from a one of two, to something like a lie detector among 4 people and their hands.
To me, the one in two chance of getting it right just doesn't jive with what I consider strong mentalism. But David's take, to me, is brilliant. |
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Deckstacker Elite user Sunny SoCal 442 Posts |
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On Nov 5, 2021, countrymaven wrote: Yes, yes! While more of a 'Whose Hand' rather than a 'Which Hand' effect, Charles Gauci's Body Language took a simple, non-electronic method, mixed in 5 people, added a splash of pure showmanship, and built it into a miracle. Verily I say unto you, such is the genius with which magical reputations are made.
Never try to teach a pig how to sing. You will waste your time, and it annoys the pig.
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Bastien Regular user 134 Posts |
A lot of great thoughts here!
I especially love David Thiel's idea to involve multiple people, that's brilliant! Back when I performed in a more 'psychological style,' I loved "which hand" effects because it was a simple, quick, non-threatening, and effective way to communicate premise and character in the form of a game. Back in the Pre-Covid times, I did book several events from doing just "which hand" alone, and I always felt it was a great "elevator pitch" answer for whenever anyone asked "what do you do?" "It might be easier if I just show you, here take this coin..." What could feel more organic/impromptu? Even Edward Norton does it in the Illusionist film when someone walks into his room and asks to see something. I believe Chuck Hickock once wrote that effects in mentalism should start believably, and build to become increasingly more impossible, and for that reason I agree with everyone who mentioned that which hand is a great opening effect. You can build to something more personal and intimate (and impossible) later on. For the right character and presentation, I believe which-hand kills. Having said that, I've since moved on from this psychological style, and these days I prefer to use a pendulum for these moments. In case anyone is interested, I am selling my 'which hand' here, hopefully it can find a home in someone's act and serve them as well as it has me: https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view......forum=76 |
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Deckstacker Elite user Sunny SoCal 442 Posts |
Bastien- I too think Dave Thiel's idea of involving multiple spectators is pure genius! I just wish I had occasion these days to perform for other than small gatherings of family and friends.
I saw your very fairly priced item on the other forum and wonder how your 2.5 version varies from the 3.0? Also, if/whether it has any advantages over either the Flux or Intuition devices, both of which I own? (PM me about this if that seems appropriate.) And yes, I guess I'm kind of hooked on the electronics for the Which Hand effects, although I also like to mix things up with Tequila Hustler now and then, just to keep the audience off-balance. Another dodge I like to use is to fold up a small disc m****t inside a $20 bill, especially if I think my specs might suspect electronic sensing of coins or other metallic objects.
Never try to teach a pig how to sing. You will waste your time, and it annoys the pig.
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bunkyhenry Special user NYC Metro 828 Posts |
I will only add my which hand routine to my show when I need to make it longer. It is a good routine with some laughs. I offer a gift card if the participant can get one out of 3 correct. The problem is at the end when they fail 3 times. I can see that they are not happy...even mad. Even though I give them the gift card anyway, it really does not help. They get mad when they lose 3 times in a row. Any ideas on changing this?
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Bastien Regular user 134 Posts |
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On Jan 22, 2022, Deckstacker wrote: Hello Deckstacker, I don't have Flux or Intuition or SS 3.0, so I can't speak to the differences from experience. On a cursory glance (from the ad copy), SS 3.0 seems to have USB charging rather than battery power, whereas SS 2.5 does require batteries. If you already have Flux and Intuition, I would think you're pretty well covered! Unless you wanted a back-up, or for some reason wanted to have one in each hand for extra certainty. Honestly, I never found that to be necessary, and having one was enough. |
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