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Bill Hegbli
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On Apr 29, 2019, kcbeave wrote:
Are these cheap China manipulation balls just as good as the Bond Lee set? They seem to be about 1/3 the price



No one can answer your question unless they own both brands, and who would do that.

I can tell you that Bond Lee's come from Hong Kong and that country was part of China at one time.
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I may do just that and report back on it.
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I just got the Bond Lee 1.7 Perfect Manipulation Balls. The balls grip extremely well! I really like that about them. I don't like the shell, I think it is too thick and to me is noticeable . I have not received the ones from China Yet
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The 2 s's fit to completely cover a ball and do not stick to the ball at all so if you need it to stick slightly you'll have to add something
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I now have the Chinese multiplying balls. The Chinese set is shiny, you can see a light reflected in them, Bond Lee's is not shiny. They grip well but Lee's grip better, they are a little bit bigger than Lee's and the s***l's are even bigger than Bond Lee's and there is a gap of about 1/32" between it and the ball. There is no gap on Lee's. I do not like the s's on either one, If Bond Lee had made his S half it's thickness, the set would be perfect.

In my opinion, of what's available now, Bond Lee has the best.
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Please leave out your personal opinion, as it has nothing to do with actual fact. What you like and see is totally different then what anyone else would see and like for themselves.

What is the Name on the plastic tube of your Chinese made set?
What color are they?
What is the size of them?
How much of the ball does the gimmick cover?

So far you have not given any correct information for the balls I have ordered from China on eBay.
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Sorry about my opinion, I should have just said the Lee's are definitely better but everything else is fact. I purchased a white set of the same exact balls that you and Stevious were discussing using his amazon link. You can enclose a ball in both S's and it will rattle inside that's how much slop they have and when in the fingers there is an obvious size difference even at 20 feet.
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Kcbeave, I find it disturbing that you don't even give the name of the balls you purchased. Clearly you purchased the wrong balls.

The set I referenced are made for a company called JIELI MAGIC, it clearly printed on the clear plastic tube they are shipped in.

They have not space between the ball and Sh***. The Sh*** are coated with the same material the balls are made of, so it has the same cling feature of the balls.

You should have PM'd me before ordering, as I believe I know the set you ordered, if I remember correctly, they like to say it is a gorilla grip. They usually come in a square box of silver covered paper. The Sh**** are so thin, they collapse very easily.
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I think it's fine to express one's personal opinion about anything in magic--whether it's a review of a product or an opinion about presentation. This is after all the Magic Café--and conversations in a Café can run the gamut of philosophical observations to non sequiturs. In any case, a savvy magic shopper will check multiple sources before making a decision to buy anything.

As for the thickness of the "you-know-what" of any set of multiplying balls, I think that what is noticeable to us as informed magicians is not often noticed at all by non-magicians. The thickness of the "you-know-what" of the Fakini set of multiplying golf balls was very thick--especially compared to the thickness of the same "you-know-what" of the original Ireland Golf Balls set.

The later Magic Inc golf ball sets used the shell from the original criss-crossed pattern Ireland balls and three rubber balls with a dimpled pattern. In performance, I don't think any audience member noticed that discrepancy.

Bill makes an important point about PM'ing knowledgeable members of the Café for detailed advice.

I also invite any members of the Finger/Stage Manipulation forum to apply to join the
Routined Manipulations
facebook page where discussions about manipulation routines of all kinds can be much more detailed, and for that reason the Routined Manipulations page is a closed page. We screen people who apply for membership to make sure they are serious about magic in general and manipulation in particular. There are currently 684 members world-wide.

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Kcbeave has PM'd me, and what he purchased from Amazon was something totally different. Not at all the JEILI set. Why he chose to not use my references, and place of purchase, only he can explain. We have discussed this topic, and I hope he can work things out to obtain the correct set of JEILI balls.
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The balls I purchased on Amazon are the exact same ones stevious bought I just misunderstood what balls Mr Hegbli was speaking of. I could not find MBalls on ebay by the name jieli so I bought the ones stevious has from the Amazon link he posted in this thread. From my PM's with Bill, I now know which balls the ones he recommends and have ordered a set. It looks like it may take a while to get them.
The ones I got from Amazon are nice balls but the special part is very bad in that it is very thick and is oversize, you can put a ball inside both and it will rattle around inside. Stevious has done a very nice job using the Chinese set from amazon but I do not like the special part at all.
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