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[/quote] So the quarter size box isn't actually made to fit a quarter? If so, that sounds pretty odd, and for sure would be a valid reason to be disappointed. The half dollar version has received massive praise, and as far as I know, uses an ungimmicked half dollar. Unless I am misunderstanding something, it sounds like the quarter size version uses a gimmicked coin (or else pictures would have been both fine and also unnecessary), which in my opinion somewhat negates the value of the trick. I don't live in the US, but I do know that quarters are much more common than half dollars, which is kind of why people really wanted the quarter size version in the first place. And if you can't use it with a borrowed coin, that certainly reduces the attractiveness of the trick, in my opinion. [/quote]


All the Half dollar size boxes were supplied with silver coins or "Matched" coins for the very reason coins are not consistent and borrowed coins are a 50/50 chance.
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On Sep 11, 2019, Mad Jake wrote:
An update on the 1/4 size Divination Box. I never got any feedback after requesting some about changing the size of the box so I did downsize it a bit. But in doing so it made it incompatible with the John Talbot
Routine. I received PM's and emails asking if it could be make to work with the Talbot routine. The diameter of the box was not an issue as was the height of the box which wouldn't allow it to function properly
with the plastic case and suitcase. Even by adding some more business cards into the case, the new design would not work.

I'm almost done re-tweaking the box dimensions so it WILL work with the Talbot set up. The Hurricane has set us back a bit as well, but we are still shooting for September shipping.

I just wanted to update everyone who is still following this thread and those who pre-ordered.

Kindest Regards,
Jake Jr.


Jake that is fabulous news about the quarter size box being redone to work, and it is smaller which is what I wanted. My pre order has been in for while. I may want to get another one now I know it's been updated.

Thanks
Richard


I thought it was going to be smaller diameter just thicker from your post as you can see by my reply. I never seen anywhere the coin is going to be modified. If I would have been contacted to ask in email since it is pre ordered if I am ok with a modified coin I would have jumped ship then. The reason this was such a great trick was it used a untouched coin. By making this change it is different. If a poll was taken here about making this change I am sure it would have been very low number thinking that is a good idea. I took a kind of unwanted poll of my own 5 out of 5 none magicians 2 being kids noticed the coin has been modified right away before they even knew what I was going to show them, that is not good. Still would rather have one that if need be hit or miss which coin you find in the wild will work long as is a regular coin.
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I thought it was going to be smaller diameter just thicker from your post as you can see by my reply. I never seen anywhere the coin is going to be modified. If I would have been contacted to ask in email since it is pre ordered if I am ok with a modified coin I would have jumped ship then. The reason this was such a great trick was it used a untouched coin. By making this change it is different. If a poll was taken here about making this change I am sure it would have been very low number thinking that is a good idea. I took a kind of unwanted poll of my own 5 out of 5 none magicians 2 being kids noticed the coin has been modified right away before they even knew what I was going to show them, that is not good. Still would rather have one that if need be hit or miss which coin you find in the wild will work long as is a regular coin. [/quote]

Why would I post the method here? In any case, when I get back from Ga. I'm going to start a CAD/CAM drawing of a smaller box. The accuracy of the CNC we have is 0.00001. But like the halves you're going to have to use
the coin that is matched to the box. So the method is out in the ether hope all are satisfied.

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To anyone on the fence about purchasing a coin casket, please, PLEASE do not let the last few posts deter you. The inner working are impressive, as is the reactions. If you are put off by the pictures of the quarter, the half dollar one uses an unaltered half.

Full disclosure: I came into this gem a year late, thus my kid in a candy store excitement. I do not personally know Jake, nor do I have a vested interest.

Now back to testing the theory a borrow coin may be used. Hope to report back soon!
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With the rate that I lose coins, I'm extra careful with this! I must say that I'm thoroughly enjoying my own casket and (an odd sentence to find myself writing) and am still test marketing routines. Not quite satisfied with my routining as of yet, but the effect is wonderful!
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I have had the half dollar version from pretty much day one and this is an exceptional piece .
Also the service I received from Jake was absolutely top notch .
Jake is very active on this thread which is also very refreshing .
I would definitely have contacted him directly ( if I had an issue ) rather than post on an open forum because he is committed to what he does and would always answer your concerns at a heart beat . I don’t personally know him but I have been in magic a long long time and guys like Jake are a very rare breed imo Gaz 🙂
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I have had the half dollar version from pretty much day one and this is an exceptional piece .
Also the service I received from Jake was absolutely top notch .
Jake is very active on this thread which is also very refreshing .
I would definitely have contacted him directly ( if I had an issue ) rather than post on an open forum because he is committed to what he does and would always answer your concerns at a heart beat . I don’t personally know him but I have been in magic a long long time and guys like Jake are a very rare breed imo Gaz 🙂



Yes but he looks well dodgy in his profile photo... looks like he needs an eye patch, a parrot and a gammy leg! But you should not judge a book by its profile picture...

But don't let that fool you ... he is great and his work is top notch.
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Very much looking forward to a stainless steel coin casket.
I want two of them also.
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I thought it was going to be smaller diameter just thicker from your post as you can see by my reply. I never seen anywhere the coin is going to be modified. If I would have been contacted to ask in email since it is pre ordered if I am ok with a modified coin I would have jumped ship then. The reason this was such a great trick was it used a untouched coin. By making this change it is different. If a poll was taken here about making this change I am sure it would have been very low number thinking that is a good idea. I took a kind of unwanted poll of my own 5 out of 5 none magicians 2 being kids noticed the coin has been modified right away before they even knew what I was going to show them, that is not good. Still would rather have one that if need be hit or miss which coin you find in the wild will work long as is a regular coin. [/quote]

Why would I post the method here? In any case, when I get back from Ga. I'm going to start a CAD/CAM drawing of a smaller box. The accuracy of the CNC we have is 0.00001. But like the halves you're going to have to use
the coin that is matched to the box. So the method is out in the ether hope all are satisfied.

Jake Jr. [/quote]

It was never my intension for any exposer to happen that is why my first post asked for people to PM me with their thought about what they received. Which many did. I didn't post any pictures just expressed my disappointment in what I got.

I was expecting and am positive all others expected to get is what you just posted your are now going to do. I thought that was what we all have been waiting for.... making it to match the coin. My disappointment is well founded.

Good to know you are not giving up I know you can match these coins just like the half dollar version which is top notch and love it.

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I thought it was going to be smaller diameter just thicker from your post as you can see by my reply. I never seen anywhere the coin is going to be modified. If I would have been contacted to ask in email since it is pre ordered if I am ok with a modified coin I would have jumped ship then. The reason this was such a great trick was it used a untouched coin. By making this change it is different. If a poll was taken here about making this change I am sure it would have been very low number thinking that is a good idea. I took a kind of unwanted poll of my own 5 out of 5 none magicians 2 being kids noticed the coin has been modified right away before they even knew what I was going to show them, that is not good. Still would rather have one that if need be hit or miss which coin you find in the wild will work long as is a regular coin.


Why would I post the method here? In any case, when I get back from Ga. I'm going to start a CAD/CAM drawing of a smaller box. The accuracy of the CNC we have is 0.00001. But like the halves you're going to have to use
the coin that is matched to the box. So the method is out in the ether hope all are satisfied.

Jake Jr.


Nobody asked you to expose the method here. As I see it, the point is that you said you had reworked the box to be smaller (to fit a quarter), but what the buyers apparently received was the same box as before, just with a modified coin instead. That might be fine for some, but not what buyers expected. The original half dollar version is clearly a great piece of magic, so hopefully you can make a true quarter size version that is just as good, and with a coin that will not raise suspicion as to the method.
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My 2 cents here: exposure or not, what's the difference? The fact that Jake spent that much time on the perfect size and mathed so hard he couldn't sleep for days, is in my book a toot horn worthy moment. You can't find it anywhere else but through Jake and his suppliers. By exposing it, I don't believe it hurt sales. If anything this thread has probably increased sales, if not more interest. Even if someone tried to knock it off, how much time and experimenting would it take, if it's even possible at all?

If anything, you have just explained how much dedication you have put into this thing. In other words, Jake don't beat yourself up. So there are people who like or dislike the quarter sized one. You can't please everyone, no matter how hard you try. I realize you stated you polled the masses about the size earlier. Is it too late for the masses to speak up now?

I bought one of the quarter ones, and to own one that would be scaled down to a quarter size for would an out of pocket experience!

No offense to anyone here BTW
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D_avid,
thank you for the words of support, but I have to disagree on one point. Business' can please everyone all of the time. That's the most important part of a persons business.

Once I get back from Ga. I'm going to start from scratch. I have two choices to use, either a jeweler's lathe or the CNC. I really don't like CNC for magic except for cups because
I despise hand spinning. My actual preference would to be able to have a spectator provide the coin, but the failure rate would be 99.999. There is just no way to do that.

Anyways, I'll start my math from scratch.

As to Mroek, I never said I reworked the box to be Smaller. I polled and asked and only 1 person replied saying leave it the same size. So based on a 100% response of 1 person
that's what I did and for good reason too because the next step for for international currency.
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My actual preference would to be able to have a spectator provide the coin, but the failure rate would be 99.999.


I'm going to disagree with this statement as I think it might be possible. Been testing an idea with multiple halves in 3 different boxes and have not had an issue yet. Had someone in the UK try it as well and it worked. Will it be the same with a smaller box? Maybe, maybe not. But I would love to try it!

(sent you a private message on my method)
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Being in the service industry ( 35 hrs ) ’ “ ie providing a product to customer’s “. How is it possible to please a 100% of the people. That my friend is a formula I’d love to see. I commend the effort and sentiment but No Way in H—l. This is not an attack but merely an attempt to put things into perspective. You can bust you a-s with all the effort and good intentions in the world to put out a product but there will always be a “ dissatisfied “ eliminate., that’s human nature. Jake you put out good stuff and do your best to support it , at what seems to be every turn. Cudos to you.

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Being in the service industry ( 35 hrs )
NM



shoot!!! man!!! you must have ... like what ...15 long term service awards...... I mean how many people can say they stayed in one industry for a whole 35 hours!

I am SO SO SO Sorry I tried to resist the sarcasm - and I KNOW its a typo ... but the sarcastic British git in my cant resist....
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I'm dissatisfied with Magicnorm's post.
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I'm dissatisfied with Magicnorm's post.


MNP X 254_P = UnS'tFd Smile


oh no, it was the formula for 100% satisfaction he wanted not the dissatisfied one.

Can you tell I am work avoiding?
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In the years I've had my machine shop. Never, ever has one person complained or had bad things to day. The parts we make keep their business' alive so it has to be done right
the first time and without flaw or untimely delays. Why go to a shop or call the OEM when it can be done the same day for you? If you order a part from an OEM
it can take 4-7 weeks to get the part. That's our main service here, the Marine and Watermen business. My goal has always been the same customer satisfaction. There are 2 other
machinists in Exmore, both of them vital to keeping the fishing fleets in service. So 100% customer satisfaction can be achieved.

Magic was a distraction for my brother and I. Some faulty items do get past us, but we bend over backwards to correct any issues or concerns, as like this one. And I'm sure someday
we can match the magic to the machining business satisfaction.

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I apologize. I meant Jake and Frederick. My 2c you are being too hard on yourselves. Just my opinion.
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I've heard that turn of phrase before. I take anything I or we do very seriously. In the case of our machine shop, fisherman depend on their hauls. Say a circulation pump goes
out and they have a full catch. There used to be only 1 thing to do, throw them all back so they don't die. What we offer is a service that will head out with the correct part
in this case say a new pump meet them as quickly as possible and replace the pump or what ever part might be failing them so they don't have to lose their lively hood. A full catch
can range anywhere from $40k - $85k for one boat out trawling. If the catch is lost then the deckhands don't get paid and the owner loses that haul. Have that happen to you over
and over and they can lose their fisheries they sell to.

Fast forward to the Magic we do. We doin't want one of our effects to fail during a performance because of a faulty part or machining. That type of thing is mortifying for the performer
and us. When the results came back on the quarter versions their had been 2 fails out of over 300 plus performances. But if there is such a concern, I'll correct it. Now that everyone
who has one and doesn't. have one have chimed in to make the casket smaller and have it work like the original. I'm listening and going to make corrective steps to reverse it again
and mill out the lid to the proper specs. I don't need the old boxes back, they can keep them and I'll send a redesigned box back out to them. I never ask for the return of an item if
it fails, unless the reason is my machine, then I do. That way I can see what happened and to take steps to correct a machine issue.

D_avid, the 99.999 failure rate is for a borrowed Quarter, not the half. If I sold just the box and say any quarter will work I would knowingly be lying. Quarters are far different than halves.
I took a mixed roll of halves the night before last and tried them out. 3 out of 20 worked. Not a good ratio at all. With the quarter I'm guessing maybe 1 in 100 might work if using a borrowed coin.

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