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On Nov 4, 2019, Mad Jake wrote:
When are plater plates things for us, it adds 40 microns of nickel and then 30 microns of Chromium. If you add the 70 microns to each part of the casket
you end up with 140 microns which won't allow the pieces to fit correctly or operate correctly. Getting into micron measurements for new boxes would just
be too expensive time wise.

-MJJ


Yup, that makes sense....I forgot about the edges of the casket as well. You would need to take off the 70 microns from every surface. Even then that assumes that all the plating is going to be exactly 70 all round. I appreciate that plating is a science but I also know that science gives different results depending on the tolerances and at 70 microns - well it's a very small tolerance (I used to be a microbiologist so had to work with small stuff)


Just show off......I managed to work out that it was 70 microns on each surface and a total of 140. I can do 2X7=14 multiply by 10 = 140. Just bragging .... you know...



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On Nov 4, 2019, Mad Jake wrote:

Fast forward to Stainless Steel. A lot easier to do, but the material cost is a bit more. That's why I did a limited run of the Stainless Steel Ball & Tube.

I'll check on the cost of the stainless and let everyone know upfront what the retail cost will be. I had quite a number of people request 1/4 size caskets.
Via email through our site, but when it came time, some either never replied back or said they were inquiring about it. "Put me down for 1" is not an inquiry
so I have to figure out how to handle it this time. I do know there will be NO 1/4 size boxes in stainless, only 1/2's.

-MJJ



I may be interested ... if you let me know the cost and the time scale I will let you know if I am a definite or not. I won't be a maybe interested who would not go forward. I would be upfront with you.
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I was just looking at your 1st post Mad Jake and it has been 1 yr today. Congrats on the success on the " Brass Coin Casket Prediction ".
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I contacted our plater and gave him the measurements. Each box would cost 40.00 to plate. In my opinion, it's just not worth it when I can make
them out of stainless steel and mirror polish them.

I have one from yesteryear that is made of aluminum, it just doesn't feel right in handling. I'll eventually make some out of stainless after the New Year.

We have other projects to move forward with, some magic some not.
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I contacted our plater and gave him the measurements. Each box would cost 40.00 to plate. In my opinion, it's just not worth it when I can make
them out of stainless steel and mirror polish them.

I have one from yesteryear that is made of aluminum, it just doesn't feel right in handling. I'll eventually make some out of stainless after the New Year.

We have other projects to move forward with, some magic some not.



WOW $40 to place and you have to make a profit as well as covering costs in time etc. Stainless Steel, in my opinion, with mirror finish would be as good (if not better) ....and you would not have to be messing with getting them to the plater etc.

If its going to be after Christmas I may well be in for good. Smile
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I will absolutely be buying a stainless steel one should they be made! I have been playing with the discovery I shared with you and that is my new way to perform! I love that it's hands off and out of sight, and came up with an easy out if they decide not to put the coin in the casket at all!
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Will most certainly share, but posting here might fall under exposure.
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I would for sure be in for the stainless steel casket also.
And be willing to prepay for it.
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I would for sure be in for the stainless steel casket also.
And be willing to prepay for it.
Todd


No need to prepay, thank you though. I see in some cases where I have prepaid for projects that you know the creator has a large expense and may need
help, but in most cases ours aren't like that.
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Stainless Steel Coin Casket? Yes, please... I'll take 2 of them..

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I had a chance to show several people the coin casket, and had a young kid wanting me to figure out if it was heads or tales with the casket still in his fist. It works!
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Quarter Size Coin Casket

Has anyone else received their Quarter Size Version Coin Casket Yet. What did you think about the coin you received? Can't remember when I anticipated something so much and have been more disappointed with what I opened. I absolutely love the Half dollar version but this quarter version is not the same at all. It works ok but The road taken to make it work took a bad detour. Those that have gotten theirs know what I am talking about. PM me with your thoughts if you don't want to say anything public as it would likely amount to a little exposer that's why I am not posting pictures of the quarter. I oh so wanted this to be what it was said it would be. A smaller box that fits the un-gimmicked quarter like the half dollars fits it's box. I still want one that is right as this certainly isn't usable IMHO. Again could not be more shocked and disappointed never expected this from AirShip. Some will likely just be quiet and cut their losses but I think before many more get shipped out they should look at this release with a new eye and realize this is not the answer to the inconsistent tolerance problem. Smile

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Mr wizard you should have contacted Jake first. Heís very responsive to customers queries.
I donít see why so many people decide to post a public criticism immediately rather than contacting the maker.
As a maker myself I do everything to the best of my ability and would hate for someone to post a poor comment on a public forum when I could do something to correct the issue first. I realize thatís what people do nowadays, but itís not the right thing to do. Contact the maker first allowing them to make it right.
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You clearly didn't buy one. Smile
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It does not matter if Iíve purchased the quarter version you should have contacted Jake first. Heís very responsive to customers queries.
I donít see why so many people decide to post a public criticism immediately rather than contacting the maker.
As a maker myself I do everything to the best of my ability and would hate for someone to post a poor comment on a public forum when I could do something to correct the issue first. I realize thatís what people do nowadays, but itís not the right thing to do. Contact the maker first allowing them to make it right.
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I asked for people that bought this to respond what they thought. Thanks for your criticism I understand what you are saying. It's my honest thoughts this is not the same by making the changes that were made. I also am a maker don't like bad reviews but do like an honest review.
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Quarter Size Coin Casket

Has anyone else received their Quarter Size Version Coin Casket Yet. What did you think about the coin you received? Can't remember when I anticipated something so much and have been more disappointed with what I opened. I absolutely love the Half dollar version but this quarter version is not the same at all. It works ok but The road taken to make it work took a bad detour. Those that have gotten theirs know what I am talking about. PM me with your thoughts if you don't want to say anything public as it would likely amount to a little exposer that's why I am not posting pictures of the quarter. I oh so wanted this to be what it was said it would be. A smaller box that fits the un-gimmicked quarter like the half dollars fits it's box. I still want one that is right as this certainly isn't usable IMHO. Again could not be more shocked and disappointed never expected this from AirShip. Some will likely just be quiet and cut their losses but I think before many more get shipped out they should look at this release with a new eye and realize this is not the answer to the inconsistent tolerance problem. Smile

Richard

So the quarter size box isn't actually made to fit a quarter? If so, that sounds pretty odd, and for sure would be a valid reason to be disappointed. The half dollar version has received massive praise, and as far as I know, uses an ungimmicked half dollar. Unless I am misunderstanding something, it sounds like the quarter size version uses a gimmicked coin (or else pictures would have been both fine and also unnecessary), which in my opinion somewhat negates the value of the trick. I don't live in the US, but I do know that quarters are much more common than half dollars, which is kind of why people really wanted the quarter size version in the first place. And if you can't use it with a borrowed coin, that certainly reduces the attractiveness of the trick, in my opinion.
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Mr wizard you should have contacted Jake first. Heís very responsive to customers queries.
I donít see why so many people decide to post a public criticism immediately rather than contacting the maker.
As a maker myself I do everything to the best of my ability and would hate for someone to post a poor comment on a public forum when I could do something to correct the issue first. I realize thatís what people do nowadays, but itís not the right thing to do. Contact the maker first allowing them to make it right.


Except I think you missed the point of the post. He asked if anyone received theirs and what they thought BECAUSE he was disappointed. That is his opinion and he has every right to express it. How would contacting the maker change this? The issue he is taking wouldn't be a one off issue and the only remedy would be to completely remake it from scratch or return it for a refund. This makes your criticism a moot point.

For the record I am one who ordered the quarter caskets and realize what he is talking about and have no issues with Jake or Airship Magic.
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And if you can't use it with a borrowed coin, that certainly reduces the attractiveness of the trick, in my opinion.


You may or may not be able to use a borrowed coin. For all intents and purposes this was never intended to accommodate those circumstances which is why a coin is included. It would be great if you could with 100% success, but if you are expecting to be able to use a borrowed coin 100% of the time this is not it.
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Quarter Size Coin Casket

Has anyone else received their Quarter Size Version Coin Casket Yet. What did you think about the coin you received? Can't remember when I anticipated something so much and have been more disappointed with what I opened. I absolutely love the Half dollar version but this quarter version is not the same at all. It works ok but The road taken to make it work took a bad detour. Those that have gotten theirs know what I am talking about. PM me with your thoughts if you don't want to say anything public as it would likely amount to a little exposer that's why I am not posting pictures of the quarter. I oh so wanted this to be what it was said it would be. A smaller box that fits the un-gimmicked quarter like the half dollars fits it's box. I still want one that is right as this certainly isn't usable IMHO. Again could not be more shocked and disappointed never expected this from AirShip. Some will likely just be quiet and cut their losses but I think before many more get shipped out they should look at this release with a new eye and realize this is not the answer to the inconsistent tolerance problem. Smile

Richard

So the quarter size box isn't actually made to fit a quarter? If so, that sounds pretty odd, and for sure would be a valid reason to be disappointed. The half dollar version has received massive praise, and as far as I know, uses an ungimmicked half dollar. Unless I am misunderstanding something, it sounds like the quarter size version uses a gimmicked coin (or else pictures would have been both fine and also unnecessary), which in my opinion somewhat negates the value of the trick. I don't live in the US, but I do know that quarters are much more common than half dollars, which is kind of why people really wanted the quarter size version in the first place. And if you can't use it with a borrowed coin, that certainly reduces the attractiveness of the trick, in my opinion.


Exactly the point the excitement of opening the package was to see this smaller quarter size box with the quarter fitting nicely inside like the half dollar version. One glance at the coin I knew the dream was over. What I got was a regular half dollar size box. I checked it with my Kennedy half dollar works the same. Can use this quarter in the half dollar boxes. The worst part is the coin looks so altered it cannot help but be noticed if you ever had a quarter in your hand. I handed it to 5 people and all of them asked me what is up with this coin. Not just the visual but the feel too. This also makes it the only quarter that will work. The beauty of the half dollar versions is they can look that the coin and box with a jewelers loupe and see nothing odd but from 6 feet away I can see something looks weird about that quarter which makes this unusable for me. Like Elvis has left the building.... the magic has left the box. I still want one made to fit a regular quarter even if only one out of 7 coins tried works it's still better. I would just keep checking my change until I had a ton that worked. Only good thing I can say is the box can still be used for what it is... a half dollar box. But to complete the set I will have to go find one in silver in the dates I know works. So sad this came out this way.
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Let me address the issues here. One of them will expose exactly how the effect is achieved. Since it's in an open to all thread this is where it will be discussed.

First of all I asked actually I Polled in this forum which model would people like to see, a dollar or a quarter. I think there were 4 or 5 responses. I then polled "Should I change the size of the box?" I think there was 1 response saying leave it the same size.
That issue is closed.

The difference between quarters in general are insane, not only from wear, but from different Mints around the US. Even uncirculated coins direct from the US Mint in rolls vary. One mint will work and one won't. So much for Government Specs.

The coins are not mutilated, this is an embellishment. After finding it impossible to match tollerences so it worked with all Eagle quarters, I tried something. I made a piece of tooling that put a slight bevel on the coin from a pressing the coin into it
where is made ALL quarters work.

Here are two links to the EXACT Quarter that is supplied to show that they are NOT mutilated, but have been the slight bevel I mentioned.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q90/921/SxWCq2.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q90/922/ve2DNA.jpg

I have 12 people in various states that are professional magicians that test it out not excluding myself locally. We talked about the method. Each one has to perform the effect 24 times minimum then report back
of any issues good or bad. Out of all of us 2 instances that were not good came back. That's over 312 performances with 2 issues. Each beta set came with 2 coins because I had made 2 different sets of tooling
to flare the quarters so they ALL worked. Everyone including myself determined the first tooling worked the best and that is the one pictured in the links.

If you had any concerns you should have written me prior to a review so I would have had the chance to explain all this to you, but since you felt it necessary to just dead drop the issue you have with it in an
open forum I saw no reason to contact you privately.

Also, please note, even if the method hadn't switched from the lid to the coin, you would still NEVER be able to 100% borrow a Quarter because most have worn so thin. It was also discussed about the State
Quarters, they are impossible to do unless done in the same way. Have you ever run your finger across the face of the new State Quarters? They are 95% smooth when you run your fingers across them. They
would not work without be machined.

-MJJ
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