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On Nov 24, 2018, landmark wrote: *parpolity and parecon !!! Sorry for the typos there.
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Sorry Landmark, but those typo's completely discredit you!
Sad about Ricky Jay... 
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On Nov 24, 2018, Mike Gainor wrote: Absolutely. Anyway, I'd rather be hearing about Ricky Jay today. If you saw Deceptive Practices you might, like me, still be wondering where the ice came from.
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On Nov 24, 2018, landmark wrote: Problem with your Utopia is that once those people make the laws, they become the powerful few. OOPS.
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On Nov 24, 2018, landmark wrote: Pure democracy is exactly what our Founding Fathers avoided intentionally. It leads to tyranny sure as any other idea.
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On Nov 24, 2018, Dannydoyle wrote: The many do not become the few. It's not complicated.
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Pure democracy is exactly what our Founding Fathers avoided intentionally. It leads to tyranny sure as any other idea. Yes they avoided democracy. That's a large part of the problem. Stop avoiding democracy.
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On Nov 24, 2018, landmark wrote: Why has this system NEVER worked in the history of the world?
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For a reason different from why capitalism has NEVER worked in the history of the world.
It's because it's never been tried, and any movements towards such a system have been systematically crushed by capitalist and authoritarian forces. But see, we've done this thread before. I'm going to shut up and let the SF people have their say.
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OH it has been tried. Utopia simply does not work. Never will.
Capitalism has not failed sorry. Is it perfect? No. But show me a system that is in practice that you can prove will work that IS perfect. Propaganda aside it simply does not ever work.
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To be fair... saying it does not work isn't accurate. I think the better term would be that it isn't scalable.
Socialism works if everyone agrees and participates earnestly. The family unit is in essence a socialism commune*. My position is that systems of this sort can't handle dereliction without becoming a veiled police state. It's not the system that is the problem. It is the mindset of the people. So what is the best way to herd cats?
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On Nov 25, 2018, landmark wrote: Academic publishing?
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The Star Trek world is the opposite of the field of dreams; being... If you build it, you may not enter...
My mind keeps wandering back to the horrible-horrible-horrible Noah movie. We are like those rock creatures building an arc that we are not allowed to board. It isn't that we are corrupt, per se, but rather there are a few who are corrupt, a few who feel self-justified, and a whole lot saying 'if they are allowed to do it why can't I?'. Yeah... I think it has to be Babylon 5. It allows for our nature to continue.
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On Nov 19, 2018, landmark wrote: I just finished his book. He dabbled a little with the Star Trek {communist) universe, but nothing on Babylon 5; which is to be expected since capitalism is gone in this book. As to the book he borrowed a lot of other peoples work and speculated upon it. He also implies when he thinks he is inferring. E.G. The mindset of prior service police officers... Everyone believes their system is the best but instead of explaining why it will work choose to point out all the problems with the opposition. Exploitation is basically abuse, but abuse is in abundance on both sides. If everything is free how do you prevent people from abusing the system? In the Star Trek world they must have a lot of transporter 'accidents'...
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