agree

Markhitton, you seem to be taking this all in well. So, I thought you might find this interesting.

Can't remember when I did it.

http://www.worldmagiccenter.com/MAGIC1/ROV/aaab.htm

Thanks Mr Schneider. I understand what you mean and after seeing your coin vanish I am with you.
best

same thought..here

Right hand in a innatural not relaxed position....

As a stand alone and showing of different types ROV, you are correct. I would be willing to say that being used in a routine, the ‘innatural and not relaxed position’ would not be noticed due to proper misdirection.

Markhitton, when you say, "Right hand in a innatural not relaxed position.... ," what exactly are you referring to? To me your statement is ambiguous and specious. Could you indicate the precise sequence you are viewing?

I like these ROV suggestions as well as the earlier "slow" one, but have always preferred your Basic Vanish,
especially in a repeat situation. The "visual" travel of the coin not there is incredible.

Now, your final toss moves of the video here are similar, and I would suggest to readers here
that the video does not correctly illustrate the power of this move. Because of the psychological Ploy
Persistence of Vision, the spectator will see the coin fly into the left hand - making it more powerful than any ROV

(opinion) No video can ever truly represent what a spectator will remember of a magic effect, and the choice of a sleight based on a video
can only prepare you to perform on videos rather than in person.

I also feel that any immediate reveal of the empty hand deflates the magic, and all such moves should not be "vanishes,"
but part of a larger effect. That is, most expressed concerns over finger positions of the passing hand result form the immediate reveal
where the spectator naturally glances back suspiciously at the passing hand after the reveal.

(I note that Al's demo's are of the move and not an effect)

The solution is to have some other action occur between the Pass and Reveal, or to show the Passing hand empty BEFORE the reveal (Preemptive Doubt)
One can also employ False Transfer moves that actual place the coin in the hand, then get it back to the empty Passing Hand before the Reveal.

Of course, using a variety of techniques in a long or repeating effect can also help, avoid the performing falling in love with a specific move,
and forcing it into a routine where it becomes a skill demo over magic. Any sleight should have a "never happened" quality as part
of an entire orchestration of factors as noted my Al in his posting above.

To paraphrase one mentor, "Do not try and convince a spectator that a coin is in a particular place. Understand where they know it must be and follow"

Well, Mr. Funsway, I find your analysis very accurate.

Hi Larry,

I click on those and nothing happens?

I'm glad to see you are doing very well in the magic world!
Best,
Glenn

Link works for me Glenn.
Try http://www.barnowskymagic.com/21CCMDVD.html or click my banner in coin forum

Mr. Schneider I was looking at niagara and
the right hand appear a bit unnatural.
the video was the3 vanishing coins

The tendency to hide immediately the right hand or to leave it in strange position is a bit suspect.
in your rov and in Barnowsky the hand after doing the move appears to be morr natural and relaxed

I don not know if the tecnique used requires a anomalous right hand position. but perhaps this has just a minimal. influence on the vanish

Markhitton
Thanks for your clarification.
In my opinion the "anomalous right hand position" after the move has a great impact on the move.
I believe the audience can detect that and strongly suspect it has something to do with the coin suddenly disappearing.
Maybe the coin looks like it is really in the hand but the " anomalous right hand position" destroys the appearance of magic.

Yes I totally agree.

Mickey Silver may have the best ROV Ever. I know this is subjective but boy is it good.

Steve

Mick might’ve made just about the biggest impact ever with his use of the RV, his SUV. He didn’t invent it but his presentation and stylized usage of the move certainly ramped up renewed interest and provided great creativity as to it and as to coin magic in general. Perhaps the two biggest stirs of the last decade or two as to coin magic was maybe Ponta The Smith’s SICK coin DVD and Mickey Silver’s remarkable usage of his RV in the magic he showed. Both these occurrences created a buzz that went on for years and made the coin magic they brought forth legendary. Funny, neither magician was considered top shelf, but actually came out of the woodwork, outta nowhere if you will, to show that great coin magic could come from anywhere and not just as per the big boys in the art. And I think that’s about how it should be and has better continued to show itself as to the big, small & all of us in this thing.

Mb THE RETENTION VANISH HAS BEEN AROUND LONG BEFORE mickey ,HOWEVEER IT WAS HIS SUV THAT STSARTTED ALL THE CRAZE AND HIS WAS THE BEST.
WHAT HE DID WITH THIS VANISH NO ONE EVER DID BEFORE.
tO Watch mickey in person and his coin work is a thing of beauty the gasps are heard all over the place ,MB your finger palm is the best better than anyone I have ever seen

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