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tscvava New user 7 Posts |
Ive had my raven + DVD a day or two and am starting to get used to it. It is tricky to master. I was wondering if any of you users had any litle tips/techniques that you use to resolve any problems with the original raven i.e clinking, catching etc... Or if you have any new methods/uses, be it vanishes, productions etc..
Much appreciated, thanks a lot
David Blaine ..............................
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Close.Up.Dave Inner circle Behind you! 2956 Posts |
Don't use it. I'm sorry I think you just wasted your money there. The raven (unless used at the right time and situation) isn't very good because many people concider it to be a stand alone trick. If you just make the coin vanish then everyone will wonder where it went. But if you incorporate it into a full coin routine then at the end do an "ultimate" vanish for a nice ending then it would suit the situation more. By doing this after a full coin routine people know that you can make the coin vanish, but after you make it vanish from their hand they realize that it is real magic because it's not just trickey sleight of hand, but it can happen in their hands.
Don't just use this as a trick, use it to make the coin magic that you are already doing seem more magical. |
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Jordini Inner circle 2765 Posts |
I strongly disagree David. The raven is great, as long as you come up with something different than the coin vanish from the back of the hand. This is a great trick, but over done and exposed, so you might come across someone who knows its secret. I like to vanish dollar bills with this. I'll give you a hint, use a watch battery, and slip it under the dollar, then play around until it looks just right. You can also vanish caps from the tops of bottles, move spoons with your mind, there are great effects, only limited to one's imagination, all possible with the raven.
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts |
Over done and exposed??? Ive never met ANYONE who had the slightest idea of how to do the Raven. Maybe it depends on where you live but this is definitely not true in my area. Although I agree you should do more than just the coin vanish with the Raven, just doing that is still great. And keep in mind, you can re appear things with the Raven as well. (In response to people wondering where it went.)
About the clinking; I wouldnt worry about it. Just have some patter durring the vanish and they shouldnt hear a thing. I don't really think it will cause you any trouble. James |
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Jordini Inner circle 2765 Posts |
Certain coins and objects clink more than others, but I've never had a noise problem. As for overdone, I meant because of Blaine, many lay persons w/ enough interest and money to support their interest went to magic shops and asked about that trick. It was also exposed on national televison (some street magic thing that exposed the tricks that DB used on his specials) so it's better to be safe, and come up with something new, than it is to be sorry.
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Mayo Loyal user WorymWood 211 Posts |
Not sure how it works out on the street, but the Raven seems to get the best reactions whenever I use it, No one has even the slieghest clue at what happens!
There was this one time that I slung a coin from the specs hand and that was really interesting to see, " HE DID NOT TOUCH MY HAND AND THE COIN FLEW! " I was like. . . Eh. . . Okay I ment to do that! I don't suggest the raven if they know your a magician, or if you have doubts. And by the way, everyone says it sucks. If used right it makes for some awesome effects! I am working on one now, where I vanish the coing over a table just by brushing my hands together, My mother, My sister-in-law and my brother ( test audiance ) says that it is really visual and kicks ---! Tips for the sleeve method. If you want to use a shirt not a jacket it will be a bit difficult because of that pocket that the coat has your shirt wont have. * Make the raven tight on your finger tip; not to tight that your finger is all white, but maybe just the tip of it is slightley discolored. * wear Darker clothing * Hold it where the sleeve is straight, or release it when your arm is straight out. Hope these helped.
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Partizan Inner circle London UK 1682 Posts |
Get yourself some shim (very thin steel sheet)
You can cut this into any shape and put a touch of wax on it for a quick stick shim. Good effects can been done with a magnetic coin & raven. Use it to charge other items with a temporary magnetic charge. Make a trip device, where magnet pulls a trigger in a device to activate an effect. Use those flat brown fridge magnet patches for some jumping effects. They can be cut-up into shapes and painted, or hidden in an object.
"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus."
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justdig New user 5 Posts |
I was thinking of buying The Raven... how easy would you say it is to do? And can it be performed impromptu, or does it need preparation?
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The Mighty Fool Inner circle I feel like a big-top tent having 2140 Posts |
It needs preparation alright, and there are also some recomended clothing restrictions when performing it. If you have a 'brake', you can re-set it in about 5 seconds, in fact I've reset mine behind my back while retrieving my wallet.
Everybody wants to beleive.....we just help them along.
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Alex Linian Inner circle Peru 1277 Posts |
Another way to perform the Raven without having to go through the painful setup would be to palm it; and after vanishing the coin you could muscle pass it into a topit, or a pocket.
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Partizan Inner circle London UK 1682 Posts |
I have my raven over my right hip as I work in short sleeves.
"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus."
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dynamiteassasin Inner circle Naval Air Facility, Atsugi, Japan 1158 Posts |
I hate the raven. I suggest you practice sleight of hand that you can do anywhere anytime without setups.
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BerkleyJL Veteran user Chicago, IL 397 Posts |
My raven is sitting in it's original packaging, where it went after spending a day on it with the DVD. I figure the same amount of time spent on sleights will bring a greater reward in variety of possibilities.
I can't argue that the Raven produces strikingly visual and beautiful vanishes. It just isn't for me. Someday I may pull it out again and play with it, but for now I use other options.
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
I believe it will be a great utility for my cap in bottle routines.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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magicswan Loyal user springfield,ma 253 Posts |
Speaking as a magician & seller of magic, I think the raven is great, you just have to come up w/ some ideas for it.instead of a vanish,i used to do a "spell bound" w/ a knickle & penny. people see2 normal looking coins they see every day,that's what makes it more magical.i stop watches, chewed & restored gum...i mean it's endless. & as far as restrictions, you can do in in a short sleeve button up shirt. I have 2.
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Partizan Inner circle London UK 1682 Posts |
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I hate the raven. I suggest you practice sleight of hand that you can do anywhere anytime without setups. You hate the Raven !!! Why? did you get burned with it! My SOH is awesome but I still use the raven to take my SOH to a god-like level. I only perform in short sleeves and mainly Tee-shirt not button-up. I do this so everything is fair in the specs eyes. Not only does this make my SOH impressive but is the ultimate killer when presented with the Raven as the kicker. If you can't do anything with your Raven you have wasted your money. Please send any unwanted Ravens/Bats to me, I will make good use of them!!!
"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus."
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Gregory The Great New user Florida 53 Posts |
I am looking in to buying the RAVEN. I wanted to know if I am whereing a regular shirt how risky is the trick? Note: I don’t know who to do the trick. Is it worth driving an hour and a half to get it?
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MAGICTOM Veteran user Dallas, Tx 354 Posts |
I have not used my raven for quite some time now, but when I did, I had a blast with it.. especially in the bars. a half dollar vanishing off of a pool table looks impressive as hell. My favorite effect was to borrow a bic style/or zippo lighter, light my cig, and vanish the lighter. they usually say.. "it went up your sleeve so I remove my jacket to prove this is not the case. as I put my jacket back on, I retrieve the lighter on the way and reproduce it elsewhere.
Fun gimmick and well worth the price if you get creative. Tom
No Man is his craft's master the first day!
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n0x New user Germany 26 Posts |
On the dvd you see a trick where a coin changes to a card. the same way you can change other objects. you just have to make the objects that should vanish "compatible" to the raven if you understand *g*.
I sometimes do a shocker with it, I put a small pin with its needle up on the table, hold my hand over it and suddenly smash my hand down on it. the reactions are crazy, but if I turn my hand over and the pin is gone they flip out *g* just an example of how many different things you can do with the raven. |
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gareth123 Loyal user Rotherham UK 245 Posts |
I do recomend the raven it is a good effect but I wouldnt use it as a simple coin or key vanish , do a few sleight of hand coin vanishes then for a final trick use the raven , claiming there was never a coin etc.. there to begin with .
*is tihs migac or am i sineg aonhter wlord in wihch i nveer lvied UNTILL NOW*
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