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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Jan 24, 2019, S2000magician wrote: Funny. Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Jan 24, 2019, arthur stead wrote: "Seeing" the play is not the point. You can replace these officials with any other group of officials that you choose and the rate of controversial calls over time would not be any different. There are many things in sports that come down to subjective judgment calls. And interference in football is one of the more subjective and nuanced penalties. Exactly how long does the defender have to be looking at, or in the direction of, the pass? What counts as "incidental" contact with the receiver? How much does body positioning and "catchability" of the pass matter? Which viewing angle on the field is the best angle to make THAT particular call from? The many variables happening in high speed in real time usually makes interference a particularly tough call to adjudicate. That being said, this was a blown call by the referee. He made a mistake. Maybe he was concentrating more on foot position, or on how close to the sideline the players were approaching. Had this same play happened in week 1 of the season, it wouldn't have resulted in this level of scrutiny. So, what can be done? Not much. Not without tradeoffs, anyway. Those tradeoffs being slowing the game down for more frequent reviews, or maybe putting more referees on the field? I don't know. But this is definitely NOT a conspiracy to get the Rams into the Superbowl! Ron PS - As a Giants fan myself, I have no particular bias towards either the Saints or Rams.
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
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On Jan 24, 2019, ed rhodes wrote: No they did nothing. The rule is a pass interference play is not one they will review. That needs to change, that's my point. Saying it happens all the time doesn't solve a thing. A play in question like that one should be reviewed everytime Robey-Coleman should have been penalized for an illegal hit on Lewis in addition to pass interference. So they missed more than one call. A review would have cleared it up right there. Tom
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
Ok, in searching the rules I found this article that makes a lot of sense. It is saying what I have been trying to say, change is coming.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/20......cac068bd Tom
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washing......le-game/
By the way for those who think the game could ever have been replayed (Tom) here is something to read. The ACTUAL rules. It will take 24 teams to make any changes. So again Tom I ask how often you believe this happens? Oh and Tom didn't you notice how even your article says they acknowledge the mistake in the first paragraph?
Danny Doyle
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
Yes of course they acknowledge the mistake, and everybody in the world knows it was a mistake and that is why it needs to be fixed. Judgment calls are ok in some instances but not in a championship game.
No fan anywhere wants the winner decided by a referees call when it is clearly questionable. I do agree that the Saints won’t be going to the superbowl this year, and nobody is saying it is the Rams fault. But the whole thing has casted an even darker cloud over the NFL and its policies. I still say Roger Goodell needs to be fired. He was almost voted out last time and I expect he will be soon. Tom
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Jan 24, 2019, TomBoleware wrote: So now your position is they DID admit there was a mistake? Pick a horse and ride it Tom. Which is it? Do they have to admit there was a mistake or did they admit it already? Dude it was human error. GET OVER IT. M Why can't or won't you answer my question about how many times it happens? It is not many I'll share that with you.
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
Some did, BUT Roger Goodell hasn’t said a word. Show me one statement from him.
We don't know how many times it has happened. But this is the ONLY time that we know it stopped a team from winning a championship game and going to the supebowl. One time is to many without saying we need to do something. Show me a Roger Goodell statement about it. Here is what some are saying about him: https://www.theadvocate.com/gambit/new_o......593.html Tom
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Why does HE have to make a statement? Because YOU demand it? Get over yourself Tom.
And we don't know at all that they would have gone to the Super Bowl. You can't KNOW that! This is the point. For every scenario you can come up with that has them winning one can be presented where they lose. He might have caught it and fumbled. Any number of things could have happened. Nobody knows what would have happened the NEXT play if it HAD been called. You can't say they would have won. That is the point. You make convenient assumptions that mean nothing. Maybe they make you feel better because the team you support lost a GAME. Get over it is really good advice.
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
Danny, what you say doesn’t mean a thing, what I say, or anybody else says doesn’t matter. Goodell is the one voice that matters and he is saying nothing.
He has proven he doesn't care, the end. Tom
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
No that is not what he has proven. Again you think that what YOU want even matters.
He has proven to be very pragmatic, and does not want to make an ill conceived statement that he may regret later. He has proven he does not want to over shadow another game that still needs to be played. And it would be THE END if you would just stop! But first it is about playing the game again, (Which would NEVER happen and he didn't have the authority to do anyhow!) then it is about admitting a mistake, which they HAVE done. Now it is about Goodell HIMSELF talking just to satisfy YOU. NO sorry but life is not going to work out the way you seem to think it needs to. Life goes on. It was a SINGLE mistake that is all. It is not a problem that needs to be solved. It is just silly to want to extend rules and make the game even longer because of ONE human error. How do you think you are going to eliminate human error?
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
Robey-Coleman was fined by the NFL more than $26K for a helmet-to-helmet hit on the play. So that should tell so you something.
Tom
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
It tells me you are a last word kind of guy who just can't admit wrong or let things go. THAT is clear yea Tom.
Everyone here said it was a missed call. The NFL said so as well. What is it exactly being fined says Tom?
Danny Doyle
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Jan 25, 2019, TomBoleware wrote: But they're ALL judgment calls! Even when plays are reviewed, someone is making yet another judgment. The only difference is that the reviewer can make a more informed and deliberate judgment. But it's still a judgment! And haven't you ever seen plays that could go either way, even with an intense review? Judgment calls will always be an element of the game. Quote:
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If it has (and that's debatable), it shouldn't. It was a single missed call. Human error. Part of the game. It wasn't nefarious. Quote:
I still say Roger Goodell needs to be fired. That's ridiculous. Do you want commissioners intervening in every game that you don't like the outcome of? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
Ron, all I have been saying is that something needs to be done. Nothing more nothing less. If you and Danny think everything is fine the way it is now that’s ok.
I have no problem with that, but change is coming. It will be in the news soon. Tom
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Change of what and how would your changes help?
Danny Doyle
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arthur stead Inner circle When I played soccer, I hit 1773 Posts |
Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion .. even though some people are a little more adamant in their views than others. (Not you, Tom).
No one answered my question about whether refereeing decisions have to be unanimous. This is important, because obviously in certain situations, one or two of the seven officials may “see” something that the others don’t. Do they then have a discussion, and take a vote? Or does one dissenter hold sway over the referee’s final decision? Do you see where I’m going with this? Maybe the official who was closest to the play wasn’t intent on making a wrong call from the start of the game. Maybe he panicked and then after realizing his mistake, was too embarrassed to change his mind. Or maybe he was told or bribed by influential people to find a way for the Rams to win, and this situation presented the perfect opportunity. Or maybe he was just an opportunist with private preferences about which team should win. One thing is for sure: Had that controversial double-miss call been made correctly, it’s almost certain that the Saints would now be in the Super Bowl. I just think there’s too much money and prestige at stake for seven pairs of eyes to miss this call, when everyone else and their mothers saw exactly what happened. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
No every non call does not have to go through committee. NO decisions are not unanimous. That is not the way the league runs. Each person has different fields of responsibility. Often not all will be looking in the same place, for good reasons.
Oh my God you talk about others being "adamant" in their opinions and you are STILL talking about a bribe in relation to this? Seriously? It is NOT certain the Saints would have advanced. Not in the least. Not even close. The very next play could have had an interception run back for a touchdown. Stranger things happen all the time. So please stop the "I know alternate reality" stuff. It is not even close. They may have indeed advanced, and certainly the call made it so their chance of doing so was hampered severely. But to just claim they would have advanced is ludicrous. https://operations.nfl.com/the-officials......sitions/ This can help some. It will show even more clearly why the idea of a bribe is ludicrous.
Danny Doyle
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On Jan 25, 2019, TomBoleware wrote: We don't know that, Tom. Nobody knows that if that penalty had been called the Saints would have won the game. Thy might have won. I'll concede that they probably would have won. But nobody knows that for certain. |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On Jan 25, 2019, TomBoleware wrote: But it doesn't tell us anything that we didn't already know. |
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