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I am trying to recall if Cassidy discussed Chronologue in one of the Penguin lectures. I seem to recall him discussing it somewhere other than his MM DVD. Anyone?
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If memory serves me well, I believe he touches on it breifly during the dual lecture with RO.
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In "The Compleat Principia Mentalia" he describes it in pretty much the same words as used om the MM DVD.

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I've never understood the fascination of diary effects. What am I missing? I haven't seen one performance of these things by anybody that have wowed me.

Perhaps I just don't like diaries!
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It doesn't do anything for me either.
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On Jan 23, 2019, sbays wrote:
I am trying to recall if Cassidy discussed Chronologue in one of the Penguin lectures. I seem to recall him discussing it somewhere other than his MM DVD. Anyone?
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On Jan 28, 2019, aligator wrote:
It doesn't do anything for me either.


Cassidy was an absolute genius, I remember watching a performance of this when Cassidy first showcased it and was blown away by it. At the time it was such a new and fresh concept. Now diaries are more or less obsolete so of course this effect won’t be everyone’s cup of tea but on the plus side this thread gave me a huge smile thinking back to when I first saw it, so thank you OP for posting Smile

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I've never understood the fascination of diary effects. What am I missing? I haven't seen one performance of these things by anybody that have wowed me.


A calendar trick that is straight to the point is as amazing as a card at impossible location trick. It's as strong as card to wallet. And, tied in with a date that has a personal significance, it can hit home emotionally.

I'm not saying you're wrong, b/c it's your feelings. I'm just saying why I like it.
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I've never understood the fascination of diary effects. What am I missing? I haven't seen one performance of these things by anybody that have wowed me.


A calendar trick that is straight to the point is as amazing as a card at impossible location trick. It's as strong as card to wallet. And, tied in with a date that has a personal significance, it can hit home emotionally.

I'm not saying you're wrong, b/c it's your feelings. I'm just saying why I like it.



This is a good point. As someone who's made up diary/calendar effects (Cassidy's as well as Doug Dyment's) then "fell out of love" with them, I see both sides to this discussion.

I guess it is really similar to openly math based tricks ("Summing Up"/"Number Juggling" from Marc Paul's Penguin Live http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/5313 ) for example.

If it is motivated, to the point, AND INTERESTING, then it can hit very hard.

All that being said, I'm not into calendar/diary effects these days. It's a relatively large footprint for something I'm not thrilled to be doing. I think we have all been here, having done effects for years that now sort of leave us cold.

Good discussion.
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This premise often leaves me feeling cold, too. But, laypeople seem to like it! So it probably says more about my taste in picking effects than anything else.

When I think about it, what the diary effect does that a deck trick (like the 5-Star deck) can't do is that it makes the odds seem much larger than 1 in 52 at the same time the date makes a more personal connection than just picking a card. Yes, the odds don't change (still 1 in 52), but in people's minds, the odds are 1 in 365 and are amazed that it corresponds to their special date. That's the real genius of it, IMO.
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On Feb 14, 2019, Dr. JK wrote:
This premise often leaves me feeling cold, too. But, laypeople seem to like it! So it probably says more about my taste in picking effects than anything else.

When I think about it, what the diary effect does that a deck trick (like the 5-Star deck) can't do is that it makes the odds seem much larger than 1 in 52 at the same time the date makes a more personal connection than just picking a card. Yes, the odds don't change (still 1 in 52), but in people's minds, the odds are 1 in 365 and are amazed that it corresponds to their special date. That's the real genius of it, IMO.


Chronologue was the first effect I learned after watching Bob Cassidy's DVD. It is an easy effect to set up and to work, with or without the playing cards. At times I will simply have them focus on their special date and the card that is written on it.

The set up opens up other presentations using the same system/diary. One is not limited to the sole use of Cards; Casisdy used the set up for a City Landmark effect as well.

Being a bit of purist in many areas, I prefer Cassidy's set up rather than the "improvements".
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I believe he touches on it breifly during the dual lecture with RO
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Given how the diaries are introduced, I see the effect more as a divination item, than the day planner type thing. Genius was how Mr. Cassidy took what might just have been a card effect and with but seemingly one card, created a moment in the participants life he could not have possibly known. Unlike many mentalism card effects, Chronologue touches the participant on a visceral level because of the dates relation to them.

Quite much from something you can carry in your pocket. Recently I dusted off the somewhat controversial wallet cards that Mr. Cassidy latter allowed just so I could do the effect seemingly, impromptu and with just one wallet. The reactions of the lay, are outstanding.
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Since I'm an advocate of the Card to Calendar plot, please check out my performance of the effect. I think you'll see that the effect is strong. This video shows my stage version, but I use a pocket calendar in my restaurant performances: https://youtu.be/0JyvV6CZ9bQ
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Sadly, I'm wondering if pocket diaries/day planners are becoming relics of the past?

Surely it's possible to adapt the effect so that it uses the calendar app on a smart phone, but would it still play as strongly, I wonder?
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I purchased the effect before I’d watched MM. I later made my own diaries but prefer to do it the way it was marketed, that is, the card next to their date is tucked in the front of the diary, not your wallet.
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Also, I've never quite "bought" into the idea of writing down a playing card for each date in a diary. For me, it made much more sense to write down a tarot card (since I know of readers who actually do this). I adjusted the routine accordingly, even though I then couldn't use some of the later subtleties in handling that were only possible with playing cards.

However, that being said, there are playing card decks that are designed specifically for use with divination (e.g., Nile or Kadar), that would be a nice complement to Cassidy's effect.
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To me, the best use of the Chronologue principle is to use a different variation of the hand wrigint the entries AND a slightly different wording with exactly the same meaning for specific entries. I once produced a limited edition of Chronologue principle Tarot Cards with aged pages and leather covers to give it a colonial look "The Newe Amsterdam Tarrochi Diary" which was available through Hocus Pocus -- and last time a looked a couple of years back only 1 copy remained available. It qas also treated with the "Small of Antiquity" and had a multi page manual.

Recreating a one-off for any magician is time consuong and takes care, with some thought of how to arrange the entries -- but is well worth the effort to get away from "playing cards."
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If you like the idea of a birthday book/diary trick, check out the work by Michael Close and Simon Aronson.
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On Jul 15, 2019, Philemon Vanderbeck wrote:
Sadly, I'm wondering if pocket diaries/day planners are becoming relics of the past?

Surely it's possible to adapt the effect so that it uses the calendar app on a smart phone, but would it still play as strongly, I wonder?



Reese Goodley has a post here about his adaptation called In The Name of Bob that uses your phone and on the demo video the reaction is quite strong.
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