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The Burnaby Kid
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On Feb 14, 2019, mlippo wrote:
Anyway you're probably right and that final sentence of mine was pleonastic..


Well, whether it was or wasn't, it's certainly important to not pollute the oceans with our diet.
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Thanks, Baz. I realized after thinking about your reply that I don't have any sense of what's natural in this context, because I never count bills the way that most people (I guess) do. I just kind of slide the bills around in one hand and count by sight as I slide! Not very graceful, but physical grace isn't one of my strengths. In my magic, I'm very careful to do things correctly, so I suspect that much of my handling is unnatural in the sense that it looks much cleaner than what I do in real life! How's that for a paradox? But I guess that frees me up to do whichever counts I enjoy, because it's *all* going to look unnatural in the sense defined above (if I may borrow one of P. G. Wodehouse's running gags).


By the way, Colombini mentions, on one of his packet trick disks/downloads, that he could never really get the Hamman Count until he learned the Ken Brooke handling. He demonstrates it, but quite quickly, so I looked around and found a nice pamphlet by Brooke that explains the handling. (If anyone's interested, I'll look up the name of the booklet when I get home.) I'm looking forward to learning the Brooke handling for the HC when I feel that I've more or less got the Elmsley Count down. (I'm getting close -- Great Happiness.)


Thanks again for your thoughts.


Best,


Bob
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TeddyBoy,


I hope I'm not being pushy in posting this. I totally understand your desire to learn from what you already own rather than spending more money on more stuff. But -- I just found Ian Kendall's ebook so refreshing that I can't resist plugging it again. He doesn't just teach -- he teaches you how to learn (I may have gotten that little phrase from Michael Close, who edited Kendall's book). He breaks sleights down into little pieces and gives you exercises for learning each little piece; then he shows you how to put all the pieces together. It did wonders for my Elmsley Count learning. And he has a chapter on the Hamman Count.



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No problem at all Bob, if it is that good I should give it a look. Thanks.
So many sleights...so little time.
Cheers,

Teddy
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If you get the book, let me know what you think, TeddyBoy. Needless to say, if you don't like the book I never said anything!
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On Feb 15, 2019, Bob G wrote:
By the way, Colombini mentions, on one of his packet trick disks/downloads, that he could never really get the Hamman Count until he learned the Ken Brooke handling. He demonstrates it, but quite quickly, so I looked around and found a nice pamphlet by Brooke that explains the handling. (If anyone's interested, I'll look up the name of the booklet when I get home.) I'm looking forward to learning the Brooke handling for the HC when I feel that I've more or less got the Elmsley Count down. (I'm getting close -- Great Happiness.)


Thanks again for your thoughts.


Best,


Bob

Hi Bob,

Drop me a PM with your email mate.

Cheers,

Baz
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"The only thing I don't like about the chapter is that he teaches the method (which many people use) where you start with the cards in the left hand, then move them to the right hand while counting one card back into the left hand. Not as natural as Elmsley's original, but if you follow Kendall's instructions closely I doubt anyone will notice. "

There is a reason for this; the packet is held in your left hand as if you were holding any deck (assuming you are right handed, or at least handle cards that way). From this position you can go directly into the count without any re-gripping by taking the inner right corner in your right fingers. You just take hold of the cards, and count off the first card at the same time. (In my current handling of Twisting I use Bob Farmer's Squist turnover, which means the whole routine flows without any re-gripping).

I first learned the Ghost Count from the description in Rainbow Cascade umpteen years ago, using the more traditional Elmsley handling of holding the packet in the left fingers and taking with the right hand. Even today, I am significantly more proficient doing the count that way, but I made a conscious decision fifteen or so years ago to change over.

Now, while there are advantages for me to make this switch, it's not essential! If you want to count from left to right, all you need to do is change the 'left' and 'right' labels in the description and you'll be fine. Everything else is the same Smile
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Ian, what a coincidence. Based on Bob's suggestion I downloaded Basic Training just last night but have not yet looked at your chapter on the Ghost Count. I'll look into it this morning. From the comments above it sounds similar to Professor Giobbi's handling in Card College 2. It actually feels quite natural to me and this helps the flow. How come you changed your handling?
So many sleights...so little time.
Cheers,

Teddy
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The one I didn't see mentioned was the last card push from Michael Close. Wich is really great, especially in combination with the elmsley count (look at his four card reiteration)
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