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Mindpro
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Yeah, I have to agree with this as well. Tom posted something with some figures/numbers that seemed quite far-fetched. Someone simply called him out on it asking for details (many of which he still hasn't addressed). I can't see how that is attacking - he made claims, someone asked for more details and to further explain such improbable claims. How is this attacking?

Also, I guess Lou sees something different than some of us. This is a great example where one post from one poster took the thread off track and in a different direction. I don't see multiple people to blame. What the person that asked for clarification and called out something far-fetched from someone that claims experience in something specific?

I could say the same thing, Lou. You pop in, ask for me to respond to your post and then...nothing. The conversation just abruptly stops. How is that progressing and continuing a thread you started and asked for direct input from others?

I couldn't disagree with you more about your thoughts on most magic Facebook groups. Most only bi**h about the Café, lol. And the Café? Where is it going to go? It the premier magic site in the world, why would it not be here?

Also, why do so many say there done or going to take a break yet still here? I never understand this.

We haven't had problems here in a couple of months since the place got cleaned up. We know who drives people away or makes them refrain from posting, don't kid yourself.
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On Feb 18, 2019, TomBoleware wrote:
Talk about making stuff up.

Who said I sold anything at all to the average household?

Who said anything about getting paid up front?

Who said it was exactly two years?

Danny you have called me a liar enough, do it one more time and I will report you.

Tom


Why wouldn't you sell stuff to average households? If you only paper the room with under privelaged people you won't attract many sponsors to the event. Oops. This shows a major flaw with this plan. Sponsors want an ROI. It is that simple.

You said you bade salary was $1,000. This puts them on the hook for the money regardless of outcome. Most groups don't do that.

You said it was 2 years.

All I wanted to do wasunderstand your claim.

I never used the word liar. You are projecting. It is entirely possible this is how you remember things. You just refuse to stop typing. Let it go.
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TomBoleware
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Danny, I guess I will try one more time to explain it to you since you seem so set on making it confusing for others to understand.

They never paid me a penny that came out of their own pocket. I only got paid when there was money in the pot to pay me. The whole two or three years that I did fundraising using a magic show I ALWAYS got paid. And NEVER was a client not completely satisfied with the outcome. True there were times when the house weren’t full, but getting people to the show really had ABSOLETLY NOTHING to do with how much money we raised. ( And for the record I only did magic full time one way or the other for about five years total. I saw it as just another sales job)

I am not talking about doing sponsored shows where you go out and get businesses to pay you for the show. I have done that too. But here I am talking about doing FUNDRAISING where you get Businesses and Professional people to DONATE money to a local organization such as a fire department, the local VFW, Boy Scout Group, etc. It is usually their annual fundraising event. And what better way to show that they really are a worthwhile group if you can say that they are providing a magic show for the local disabled and under privileged kids. That is a POWERFUL SELLING POINT TO GET PEOPLE TO DONATE. Don’t you think? Having two reasons to donate is much better than one. Plus when it’s a once a year thing it takes the sting out when asked to donate more.

Fundraising with a magic show is NOT all about YOU, and the show itself is only a small part of the overall fundraising process. Fundraising is getting people to ‘DONATE’ money to the ‘cause’ and not necessarily to come see a show. The lazy person should shy away from getting involved with a fundraiser. Unless of course you are just simply selling the show to the group letting them do the fundraising part and you just come do the show and leave. Nothing wrong with that either and magic is unique enough to usually draw a crowd, but it is a completely different thing than what I am talking about here.

Besides providing a good show when the time come I was out there deeply involved in getting people to donate money to a cause, not to just come see me do a show. I earned my money the hard way. Many times I saw people write a tax deductable check to the charity/group for several hundred dollars. I saw a few write it for a thousand too. In the end a part of every check written, depending on our agreement, was to go in my pocket. They handled all the money and we tallied up on show day. Different deals for different groups but I think I liked the 50/50 split the best. Some would be 40/60 and if I only used their name and they did nothing at all it was 80/20 with me getting the 80 percent.

Don’t think for a moment that those who put together and run all those big fundraising events you see today aren’t getting paid well. Not that they don’t deserve to be paid but they want you believe that every single penny is going to the cause, it is not.

Since my magic days I have took part in several smaller non magic related fundraising events with great success. Wasn’t doing it for the money and it is a lot of work but in the end it is very rewarding when you know you have helped a good cause.

Anyways,

Tom
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So is THAT your last post?

How ridiculous. Why not just call and ask for donations and not do the show? If the show is meaningless, and I believe yours was, why would people donate? I mean pick a horse and ride it.

Doing a fundraiser where they get 20% is terrible. Why would you do that to a charity?

And pretty much all checks to charity were tax deductible then.

And YOU used the word sponsorships. Words mean things Tom. You obviously don't know the difference in a sponsorship and a sonation and somehow we are to believe you are a fund raising genius?

So PLEASE be done. You did all the work and used the name of a charity. You did not have to worry about communicating value because you were paid on YOUR OWN ALLEGED RESULTS.

Please stop confusing everyone.
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It most certainly is a business model. While it may not be for everybody, it worked well for me at the time. Danny just because you don’t approve something doesn’t mean it is a bad idea. Your way is not the only way by far. And I had no problem communicating my value. I had written letters and copies of checks from my past clients to prove what I could do.

My first post did fit the topic, but it was your continuing ‘know it all’ uncalled for bashing that killed the thread. I have apologized to Lou and everyone here for allowing you to sucker me into your BS. If you had in decently about you, then you would do the same. But I don’t look for that to happen.

I will stop now. Go ahead get in your last word too. But I'm sure you will by asking more sarcastic questions.

Tom
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Tom this is multiple times you claim you will stop. But you continue to type vigorously.

I never said it was not a business model. I never claimed it wouldn't work. I said it had nothing to do with this topic and you agree. Then you blame me for pointing it out!

Then you go on to make claims that are pretty far fetched. I ask for confirmation, and point out that it has nothing to do with this topic and you just don't stop.

Now you think it is clever to parrot what I said about having the last word. Tom are you so desperate to be listened to that you have to act like this? Please really be done this time. No more.

Oh and doing a fund raiser where you give a charity 20% is abysmal behavior.
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