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On Mar 3, 2019, tommy wrote:
Yes, it is all vape and mirrors now.


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I think that cigarette magic is outdated. There was a time where cigarettes were widely used but now it's not. I don't think that magicians should be promoting cigarette magic.
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I dunno... a lot of people still smoke and for the right crowd in the right setting...


I do agree that it should not be performed in front of kids.
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You have a point there... something I hadn't considered. All about appropriateness I guess..
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Yeah, I know... I don't care for the sponge dingdong (wait, that came out wrong) but I'm sure there is a time and a place for it.

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Just seems to me that it's not worth investing in cigarette magic as there are fewer and fewer opportunities to perform it...
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In the thread there is talk about, how the same moves and sleights used with cigs, can be used with other things. Lets not let this area of magic die because of a societal norms. We are magicians and always buck the system Smile
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I agree. Many of the classics of magic (Tarbel etc.) also mention cigarette magic. I've always skipped over this part but I guess I'll go back and read it! Smile
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Natural pass vanish, three-finger vanish, repeat production, fake throw, drop-over vanish, palm switch, fist production, etc. Every cigarette sleight I can think of is also used with other media. Coins, thimbles, and balls, for instance. I can't think offhand of any valuable sleight that can only be learned in cigarette magic.
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Now how can you burn your fingertips with a coin?
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Now that depends on whether you are old fashioned or using cryptocurrency.
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Cryptocurrency burns someplace else....
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I never really liked cigarette magic before but then I saw the LOPEZ volumes and just had to try the routines... they're brilliant
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Give a homeless man a cigarette and he'll have one smoke for the day.

Give a homeless man a cigarette and a TT, and he'll smoke crushed cigarettes all day.
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You could argue that the bullet catch is irresponsible considering it's basically magicians shooting each other in the face.
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Many have argued just that.
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What is responsible for the magic is whatever you tell them.
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Much that you do with Cigs can be done with: Crayons, chalk, small pencils, and on and on and on.
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A young fellow we know started selling Vapes a couple of years ago and he is now a multimillionaire. We call him the Vape King and he has booked our joint a number of times for Vape parties to promote his business. The Vape community is like a massive cult and while they look like Hells Angels they are a really nice crowd. They have big meetings/parties often where a magician could get booked.
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How about cigarette magic from a motivational and context perspective of the manipulations. Take a look at tellers cigarette routine in the embedded video below, much of the manipulations are motivated by the very fact that the item being used is a cigarette. The bringing of the hands to the mouth for the switch is contextualised by the natural action of lighting the cigarette and for the vanish throwing the cigarette on the ground in an act of stamping out the cigarette. How would we justify the context of the manipulations if it wasn't a cigarette?



It also might be appropriate from a creative perspective to cultural appropriate a period of time where smoking was very much part of the imagery of that time or era. If for example if you're going for a throwback of hippy culture of the 1960s and 1970s when smoking and cigarettes were in fact very much a part of the scene, then I could see the justification on the grounds of artistic and authenticity as firm reasoning for such a choice.

On the moralistic front of glorifying smoking, I think it's somewhat naive to think that the average person's moral fortitude is so wafer thin that a simple showing of a cigarette in a performance is all of a sudden the catalyst of glorify cigarettes and therefore creating a new generation of smokers.

I have worked as an assistant manager for a fuel/Gas Station for the past ten years and have seen customer behaviour under some of what could be considered the most strict tobacco laws in the world.

In Australia, it is against the law in the retail sector to openly display tobacco products to the public in an open and free manner and must be held behind fully closed cigarette cabinets where they are obscured from public viewing. There are laws against incidental viewing where you must limit the exposure to the public in cases where staff need to facilitate stock management tasks which may result in people indirectly viewing tobacco products. Our federal government has mandated nationwide universal packaging laws making all tobacco products appear the same as well as mandating health warnings on every pack with ghastly pictures of people dying of Lung Cancer and other smoking-related health issues. Tobacco companies are not allowed to advertise on any public media or sports events. They have tried to increase taxes on tobacco products in an effort to price people off the habit.

All these laws and many others like them are all a vain attempt to mitigate public exposure and subsequently the perceived influence of the smoking industry. Has it had any affect on tobacco sales and the habit of smoking? Empirically from my ten years experience at my place of work, all these things made very little difference, cigarettes and other related tobacco products outstripped all other forms of sales in terms of merchandise we sold by thousands of dollars. So I believe glorifying cigarettes in the simple act of showing them in public is an oversimplification of a more detailed and nuanced problem.

I don't think a person will start taking up smoking because a magician did a retention vanish with a cigarette.

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