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On Feb 28, 2019, mlippo wrote:
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On Feb 27, 2019, Rupert Pupkin wrote:
I hope to one day see a well-executed one. I think the move is great, but I have yet to witness the switch done undetectably.


What about Vallarino in his Ultimate Wild Card?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3QynL4oLhg

Count starts at 0:21
.Mark


Not to speak for Rupert but there's a noticeable hiccup there. The question then becomes whether or not regular folks would notice it.
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Yeah, on the one hand you could say, “Well I’m a magician, I know what to look for.” On the other, heavier, more valid, dominant hand, you could say, “Laypeople have eyes and a brain.”
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Strangely, to me, the face-up count there was more convincing than the face-down one.
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Agreed, but two things. First, I think the vantage point helps a bit there. Second, that Queen catches the eye, so if you're looking for even counting that'll distract you momentarily, which might be enough. There was less swaying of the right hand after the move, but that sort of thing is correctable. Still knacky, though.
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On Feb 28, 2019, Rupert Pupkin wrote:
“Well I’m a magician, I know what to look for.”


Exactly.
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I know it is popular among some of our more talented practitioners, but the music in that clip is just so cheesy, with the stridently synthetic violins and all the little mini-explosions timed to coincide with the turn of a card. I hear that sort of music and I lose interest almost immediately, because it sounds so self-important and, frankly, inappropriate. It's Wild Card, it is not high political drama, and I think we do a dis-service to these types of effects when we present them without any audience interaction and try to artificially infuse them with some pseudo-importance.

Or maybe it is just me?

Oh, and landmark, I agreed with you about the face-up count being smoother and more convincing. I didn't think your reaction was strange at all.
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I don't like the Vallarino examples there. Noticeable. The cards visibly jump across at the switch. It can be hidden better.
I'm maybe being picky but I like natural looking and as perfect as possible.
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I haven't yet tried to learn the HC yet, but I'd like to learn it, or some alternative. This thread is scaring me a bit! Any thoughts on the following from the experienced Packet Tricksters among you?:


1. In Card College Giobbi suggests an irregular rhythm, invented by Ascanio, that he believes makes the count deceptive.



2. I'd be interested to hear about less knacky alternatives to the HC that accomplish the same thing. Daryl, in his Encyclopedia of Card Sleights, shows a method, but he goes too quickly for me to follow. There's also a count in Racherbaumer's Counthesaurus called "In Lieu of the Hamman Count" -- I think it's by Marlo -- that might be what I'm looking for. Basically, as I understand it, the idea is to do a series of switches that resemble the one in the Elmsley Count -- rather than doing the single packet switch.



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John Carney's Hammanesque in Carneycopia is based on the Hamman count and is very deceptive.
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Thanks, Nicholas. I've looked at Hammanesque casually in the past; time to take a more careful look!
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Giggle count?
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@mattH would you please give a reference where the giggle count can be found.
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Plenty of over-thinking going on in this thread. The Hamman Count is perfectly deceptive. Just think like Ramsay!

Here's a script for the Hamman Count, using Oil and Queens as an example:
"here's a red card, and a black card, and a red card, and a black..."
(look up at spectators and smile)
"I think you see the pattern here"
"...and a red card and a black card, and a red card, and a black..."

When you're looking up at the spectator, you're making the switch. No pausing required. A couple run-throughs will show you how fluid the above can be. You can of course adapt the script to whatever trick you're actually doing.

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What Kimura and Burnaby wrote resonates with me.

The Hamman Count is one of many moves that do not bear scrutiny. If an intelligent spectator is burning your hands, that person will know something happened, even if they think that something is a continuity error in the matrix.

Here is a 29-minute live performance of mine: https://youtu.be/lq2Rj1uf05M

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On Mar 3, 2019, shaunluttin wrote:
What Kimura and Burnaby wrote resonates with me.

The Hamman Count is one of many moves that do not bear scrutiny. If an intelligent spectator is burning your hands, that person will know something happened, even if they think that something is a continuity error in the matrix.

Why would you allow someone to burn your hands? If people are burning your hands at the point the hamman count takes place then the routine/performance needs more work.
A good Hamman Count passes muster in the hands of a master because it takes place at the correct moment.
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Plenty of over-thinking going on in this thread. The Hamman Count is perfectly deceptive. Just think like Ramsay!

Here's a script for the Hamman Count, using Oil and Queens as an example:
"here's a red card, and a black card, and a red card, and a black..."
(look up at spectators and smile)
"I think you see the pattern here"
"...and a red card and a black card, and a red card, and a black..."

When you're looking up at the spectator, you're making the switch. No pausing required. A couple run-throughs will show you how fluid the above can be. You can of course adapt the script to whatever trick you're actually doing.

"If you want someone to look at something, look at it yourself. If you want someone to look at you, look at them" - John Ramsay

Bingo.
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I also make sure people aren’t looking at my hands when I do a color change.
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I also make sure people aren’t looking at my hands when I do a color change.

Why?
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Always misdirect, my good man!
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I tend to agree, but it depends on the colour change. With some you may want a delay in the moment. Others you want to direct their attention to the change.
A colour change is not in the same category as a count. Different rules apply.
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