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CGould New user Canada 63 Posts |
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On Mar 6, 2019, Stewart wrote: See I don't understand how people can do things like that. There can't possibly be any credibility to it and even if there is (something I need to study I guess) how can you just yell those things out at someone without obtaining permission or something? All this spikes even more desire to research this all. |
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Senor Fabuloso Inner circle 1243 Posts |
Even if I knew because of my psychology training that one was abused by somebody, I'd never tell them about it.
I tell people thing like where they're from. Or their Job. Married or single. How many children. Just simple things, as an ice breaker for conversation. Competently Cold by Kenton Knepper, lets me be right even when I'm wrong and helps me to focus on specific areas of interest, in ones life.
No matter how many times you say the wrong thing, it will NEVER be right.
If I'm not responding to you? It's because you're a TROLL! |
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Stewart New user 41 Posts |
I think Peter Hurkos was a little eccentric! Most psychics I know avoid giving readings like the plague when they are off duty. It is very stressful work.
As for Peter his wife has a website about him. I was amused to see that his son has inherited his powers and is following in Dad's footsteps! http://www.stephanyhurkos.com/stephany.htm |
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CGould New user Canada 63 Posts |
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On Mar 6, 2019, Senor Fabuloso wrote: See that's not harming anyone in my opinion, screaming at them about their past abuse while they are working on the other hand is a lot more damaging then anything. Or telling them they are going to get divorced 3 times like I mentioned before. The list of what I am going to read now keeps growing haha, if I can ever get the time to finish Banacheks PS series I will pick up at least one of the books recommended above! |
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Stewart New user 41 Posts |
I used to know a psychic who had a lot of nurses as part of his clientele. He would tell them that they were going to be raped by one of the doctors at the hospital they worked at. And he would also tell them other horrendous stuff. I asked one of them, "Why on earth do you keep going to him when he tells you those awful things?"
The reply was, "Oh, we all go to him for a good laugh!" |
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Stewart New user 41 Posts |
Incidentally I just remembered now that Peter Hurkos was always right when he used to blurt that stuff out to waitresses and other people. Sorry that I forgot that detail. I just remembered what Peter's friend told me about the situation.
He was famous for supposedly solving the Boston Strangler case. |
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GlennLawrence Veteran user Randolph NJ 320 Posts |
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On Mar 6, 2019, Stewart wrote: Really, they got a good laugh out of being told they would be raped? I'm not sure who's more twisted, the psychic or his clients....... |
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Stewart New user 41 Posts |
The psychic.
I just did a google search for him and I think he is still around. I saw one horrific article about him and coincidentally it mentioned the client going to him "for a good laugh" He gave horrible predictions about child abuse and suchlike nonsense and put the client in a terrible state of distress. I was highly tempted to put a link to the article but I decided that discretion was the better part of valour. |
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CGould New user Canada 63 Posts |
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On Mar 7, 2019, Stewart wrote: Which once again brings us to the other thread on the morality of it all. |
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Stewart New user 41 Posts |
It is a business which has its fair share of immorality. But then so does the police and politicians! They aren't all angels there either! However, although there are plenty of crooked policemen and politicians there are also a ton of honest moral police and politicians too! Same with the psychic business. It is not the business itself that has to uphold moral values but the individual reader who has to decided which path he or she follows and chooses where to draw his or her own ethical line.
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Senor Fabuloso Inner circle 1243 Posts |
Nope, if you take money under false pretenses your a crook with no ethical line. Your not psychic nobody is. Your not qualified to give advise as you don't have the prerequisite degrees, training or certification. And at $200 and hour your bilking the public out of money, they could be using for real help. If it's true that you have had success helping others (and I seriously doubt it) it's by ACCIDENT and still labels you a FRAUD. Not directed at you personally stewy, directed at ANYBODY claiming psychic ability and taking money for the advice they give, other without the afore mentioned paper work or education.
No matter how many times you say the wrong thing, it will NEVER be right.
If I'm not responding to you? It's because you're a TROLL! |
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Senor Fabuloso Inner circle 1243 Posts |
Back on topic another reason for suggesting Kentons work of Completely Cold, is it can be applied to any oracle and will work regardless. Card tarot or regular, scrying, palmistry whatever you want.
No matter how many times you say the wrong thing, it will NEVER be right.
If I'm not responding to you? It's because you're a TROLL! |
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Stewart New user 41 Posts |
Kenton's work left me Completely Cold I am afraid. Not just my opinion. I remember Ford Kross and other prominent people coming to the same conclusion.
Now I have been unfailingly polite to Senor Fabuloso since everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, he insists on insulting me, implying I am a criminal and bilking people. He knows nothing whatsoever about me but I know rather a lot about him. If he was a little shrewder and less aggressive it would benefit him greatly to see what he could learn from me. 1. I do NOT take money under false pretences. 2. I most certainly have an ethical line. A very strong one. Ask anyone who knows me or has studied my work. 3. I AM psychic. Everyone has the ability to a degree. However, as Robb shrewdly observed you have to define the word "psychic" I prefer to use the term "heightened intuition". 4. I AM qualified to give readings.I have studied it inside out and backwards. I know FAR more about it than Senor. No degrees, training or certification is necessary in this business. However, oddly enough I DO have one! I have studied counselling quite thoroughly which I am quite sure Senor hasn't. 5. $200 is not out of line in the psychic business for an hour session. Therapists probably charge around the same and are not terribly effective in many cases. Compared to my reputation and standing in the business I should be charging a lot more. 6. I am NOT "bilking" people. If I were how come they recommend me to their friends and ask for repeat readings (which I actually discourage to some degree). If I were a criminal how come I am not in jail? 7. I have changed lives and helped thousands of people and it is NOT an accident. It is my mission. If I thought for one moment I was bilking people or doing them harm I would give up IMMEDIATELY. Now you have asked me a lot of questions. I think I am entitled to ask you something in return. 1. Do you have any experience doing readings? 2. If so under what circumstances do you do them? 3. Do you ask for money or do you do the readings for free? 4. How long are your readings? 5. What kind of oracle (if any) do you use. Palmistry, Tarot, Psychometry? I get a strong vibe of your inexperience and your youth. I also think you need a shave. I have no idea why I typed that last sentence. It is not meant as an insult. I just get a vibe of these things sometimes. |
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Senor Fabuloso Inner circle 1243 Posts |
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On Mar 7, 2019, Stewart wrote: That's not what you said earlier. What you said was that it was your 30 years of so called experience, that qualified you to work with serious mental problems. You then claimed that your fee was justified above that of a psychologist or Master social workers because of this so called help. You also claimed that most readers don't work under and entertainment umbrella and then said but some do for legal reasons. Serious double talk. Everything about what your trying to push SCREAMS fraud and if I knew who you really were, would use my connections with law enforcement, to see you prosecuted.
No matter how many times you say the wrong thing, it will NEVER be right.
If I'm not responding to you? It's because you're a TROLL! |
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CGould New user Canada 63 Posts |
Lets get this under control before it gets deleted and I lose all the reading material suggestions I havent bothered to write down yet...
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Senor Fabuloso Inner circle 1243 Posts |
Here's another book worth reading for the beginning reader CGould, Angelo Stagnaro's Something From Nothing. He opens the work with this and I quote,
"Cold Reading ⎯ n : a general means used by professional mentalists, stage magicians and charlatans to ascertain ostensibly secret information in order to simulate psychic abilities such as ESP, telepathy and precognition. They largely do so by relaying on experiences common to humanity in general. Also known as the P.T. Barnum Effect." I think that says it all
No matter how many times you say the wrong thing, it will NEVER be right.
If I'm not responding to you? It's because you're a TROLL! |
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Philemon Vanderbeck Inner circle Seattle, WA 4696 Posts |
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On Mar 7, 2019, Stewart wrote: Mark Lewis, is that you?
Professor Philemon Vanderbeck
That Creepy Magician "I use my sixth sense to create the illusion of possessing the other five." |
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Dominic Mastronardi New user 10 Posts |
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On Mar 7, 2019, Stewart wrote: I felt the same way about Completely Cold. It only gives the appearance of "knowing things" without being specific. Which must be why Senor loves CC so much. His posts are also filled with nonsense that sounds like he knows things without him actually knowing anything. Someone's been drinking the Kenton Kool-Aid too long. |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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Stewart New user 41 Posts |
I think this is a good point to show how I go about readings. It may be of interest to our original poster.
This is how I operate. I ask myself two questions. First I have to ask, "what is it that they want to hear?" then after I have figured that out my next question is "will it do any harm for them to hear what they want to hear?" That is because sometimes what they want to hear is something that they shouldn't want to hear! It might actually be detrimental for me to tell them what they want to hear. So it is a tricky decision for me to make. Anyway, if I deem that telling them what they want to hear will do them no harm then I go ahead and tell them. However, if I deem that it is unwise for me to tell them what they want to hear then I just keep my mouth shut. 5 to 10 minute readings for entertainment are one thing. However, once you start doing longer sessions (30 minutes to an hour) that is another thing. Saying the wrong thing can affect a client's life for many years so you have to be very careful. This can be a very dangerous business. You can do a lot of good or you can do a lot of harm. As I have said to anyone who does this stuff. You are walking an ethical tightrope. Don't fall off. |
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