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TheCaffeinator Regular user Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada 126 Posts |
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A new deck of cards is $1.50 to $2.00 at most. Please do not treat them like they are made of fine china. Signed cards, torn cards, bent cards, can all be very effective. Well, this depends on where you are. Here in Saskatoon, new Poker sized Bikes are $4.00 a pack individually; bridge size are $4.50. The biggest bulk deals available here are three-packs for $7.50. I don't know where King of Diamonds is from, but I'm not going to assume that deck prices in my locale are the same as his or, for that matter, that he has the same disposable income. He doesn't want to "destroy" his cards and says he doesn't have a lot. Telling him that he's not a real magician until he destroys his cards doesn't help. I don't want to seem disrespectful to the forum members, but some of us are ignoring the context of his question and simply replacing it with our own. |
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Krumb Loyal user Vancouver, WA 300 Posts |
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On 2004-05-14 12:38, TheCaffeinator wrote: Well, that would be the reason for thet net. You can order them online at reduced rates(yes, even with S&H). |
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Ron Giesecke Special user Redding, Ca. 947 Posts |
You could try the "skinning to cardbox" ending, but I have never seen it done well myself. Paul Gertner covers this in his book "Steel and Silver."
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TheCaffeinator Regular user Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada 126 Posts |
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On 2004-05-14 12:49, Krumb wrote: And my point is made once again. |
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Krumb Loyal user Vancouver, WA 300 Posts |
Ok, TheCaffeinator, I wasn't responding to his question, I was responding to the fact that you said cards were $4 per box.
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TheCaffeinator Regular user Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada 126 Posts |
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On 2004-05-14 13:40, Krumb wrote: Okay...but doing that in this thread rather than, say, a PM implies that 1. it somehow contributes to this discussion 2. I'm interested in buying cards over the internet 3. I'm not smart enough to figure that out myself And the "reason for the 'Net" was to provide a non-centralized means of electronic communication so the american military could maintain communication and information exchange capabilities in the event of war, not having to worry that communication would be disrupted by the knocking out of a single, central dissemination center. Of course, at this point, neither one of us is helping KingofDiamonds, so I'm done here. |
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Krumb Loyal user Vancouver, WA 300 Posts |
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On 2004-05-14 13:54, TheCaffeinator wrote: Whatever you say, discussions in discussions always occur on the net in any forum. "The reason for the net" is in a present tense not in a past. It implies that one of the reasons you have the net is to make that avaialable to you, which was not available before. Last but not least it does contribute to this discussion. You stated that cards in his area might be high priced, which really isn't an excuse if you have the net available to you. My argument is that you aren't going to pay a 100% markup at home when you can get them online. |
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slebonio Regular user 150 Posts |
Get some bikes and bend away, a couple of springs in the other direction and the bend will magical vanish
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Chris Keppel Special user Kansas City MO 544 Posts |
Im so tired of magicians crying about wasting there cards. Cards cost 2.00 a pack for the good ones. If you know where to get them they are even cheaper for let say bicycles or what have you. don't worry about bending up a few cards to make the spectators time the best it can be. If you can floor them with a killer ending whats it matter if you wasted your whole deck. People go out ever day and spend 30, 40, even 50 bucks on tricks that suck and then they do it every day. I call that wasting your money if you but a sucky trick and do it all the time. You could be flooring them more with other items. You could have spent less and blew them away even more. I have a few different endings for my ambitious. For a great dvd check out the Daryls ambitious dvd. Its like the topic of the mercury card fold. Like 20 magicians were crying about wasting a deck to practice. How else you going to learn it. They suggested using a dollar which is nothing like a card. Sometimes you have to do things you don't want to that makes your magic go to the next level. If it means bending up 10 decks in a row to get the effect right, then that's what you have to do. Pull out a tissue, wipe off your tears, and start practicing so when the time comes. That ambitious move will just floor everyone around you. So what your missing a card now. Who cares, you just did something that your spectator will not forget for a while.
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Daniel Faith Inner circle Neenah, Wisconsin 1526 Posts |
Jay Sankey's Paperclipped is an extremely strong ending for AC. It's very visual and seems impossible.
Also, I have to say I agree with everyone else as to damaging your cards with a bend. It won't. Just don't crease the card.
Daniel Faith
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DaveM Special user Germany 788 Posts |
I bought Daryl's "Ultimate Ambition" gimmick with the DVD, but have never had the guts to use it under fire. Looks great on the video though.
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King of Diamonds Regular user Elite user 139 Posts |
Thanks for your support, TheCaffeinator. I am from the UK and I get my Bikes at about £1.80 a pack which is pretty good. I'm still in education and don't earn that much. However it's just I want to practice on friends & family etc, but I don't feel it's worth ruining the cards just to show them...maybe I'm wrong, maybe it will be worth it.
Do you think it would be okay to show a layman a trick which has a few cards in the deck already signed? Would this look unprofessional or what? I have been trying the pop-up move and I think my cards will be okay it's just I was looking for some other alternate endings. Maybe I'm not doing it properly and if I do maybe I'll like it a lot more. Thanks, K of D
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TheHungryMagician Regular user 144 Posts |
As someone already said, buy a destroy deck and force or just give them a card. Also, as long as the layman doesn't see the signed cards it'll look "professional" but they'll understand if you tell them card prices are so high (might even give you money to buy new decks).
Forever starving,
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
Daryl's Ultimate Ambition is one of the finest endings to the Ambitious Card there is. I made the first gross of those that were sold on the open market, through Mid-America Magic. I can attest to the huge impact of that item.
Regarding costs of playing cards, and a person's desire not to ruin a deck: different people have different circumstances. Cut the man some slack. Don't assume that just because you have paid $50 for some trick that you found to be unsatisfactory, that he has done the same thing. If I were in his situation, I would set aside one deck just for the performance of the trick, and I would "collect" autographs of people on the cards until the deck was completely useless for anything else. But I would NEVER perform the ambitious card without having it signed.
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NeoMagic Inner circle I have... 2017 Posts |
For a great alternative to Daryl's Ultimate Ambition, try Ken Krenzel's 'Box Top'. Here's the basic effect:
At the end of your Ambitious Card routine the entire deck is put back into its case. The signed selection is inserted into the middle of the cased deck, the signature on view until the very last moment, and the case closed. (Insert magical patter.) The flap is opened and the spectator is asked to remove the top card... it turns out to be the signed selection! The deck can be removed from the case and examined. You'll find it detailed fully in Ken Krenzel's Ingenuities, pp.3-8. In fact, whilst you are at it, check out his Top-Cover Dribble Pass (pp.120-124) as well which someone drew my attention to after reading about my own Hit Pass.
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
I like the pop up move ( from Expert card Technique? ) to end this classic. It's very visual and looks liek a miracle.
I trhink Daryl's ending muddies the waters of the effect.
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TheCaffeinator Regular user Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada 126 Posts |
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On 2004-05-16 18:04, King of Diamonds wrote: I don't have a problem with it, but then,I'm not a professional. If anyone asks why, you could always say you keep the cards as souveniers of the magic you've shared. Of course, the usual thing is for you to give the card to the spectator as a souvenier. I've got two performance decks on which I've been collecting signatures; luckily, the Chapman brothers, who created Homestarrunner, came to Saskatoon last month and did a performance/talk show type of thing; all I had for them to sign for autographs were my cards, which has turned them into interesting conversation pieces. Quote:
I have been trying the pop-up move and I think my cards will be okay it's just I was looking for some other alternate endings. Maybe I'm not doing it properly and if I do maybe I'll like it a lot more. Keep working on it! It's a strong move. The Ambitious Card can be such a tricky thing to end, especially if you are really pushing the concept of the card being ambitious as opposed to using some other theme. Seems to me that, once a card becomes that "ambitious," the only sensible thing for a magician to do is get rid of it, since it will always end up on top of his deck -- at least, that's the logical extension of the ambitous card scenario. If you move away from the "ambitous purist" perspective and come up with alternate themes and reasons for the antics of the card, you'll find other possibilities for endings -- anti-gravity card, Houdini card, "everywhere and nowhere" card, conceited card, ADHD card, etc. |
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King of Diamonds Regular user Elite user 139 Posts |
Does anyone think I could add a Martin Lewis-Spinner to the end fo the routine saying it literally jumps out the deck, or would this be irrelevant?
Thanks again to your replies. I think I will take Bill's (and also as many other people have suggested) to put one deck aside for the AC routine. K of D
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Dextacy New user Sweden 7 Posts |
The pop-up move doesn't require that much of a bend, it won't destroy the card...
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TheHungryMagician Regular user 144 Posts |
King of Diamonds
That Martin Lewis-Spinner sounds great. It fits perfectly with TheCaffeinator's idea of Anti-Grav as long as you do something magical to restore it to normal before it falls.
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