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I learned the last 12 cards of mnemonica last night and now have the deck memorized, sort of. I realize I will need to review and practice to retain the stack. This was my first attempt at using mneumonica and I am unfamiliar with other methods so I am wondering if there are any systems which teach transferable skills. I think learning a different stack and retaining both decks would be too challenging for me. Is there a system which would make learning new stacks easier? I think the method Rick Lax has used to teach me is effective and as others have suggested, I modified some of the images and associations in his system to make them more memorable and meaningful to me. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Eric.
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I learned the last 12 cards of mnemonica last night and now have the deck memorized, sort of. I realize I will need to review and practice to retain the stack. This was my first attempt at using mneumonica and I am unfamiliar with other methods so I am wondering if there are any systems which teach transferable skills. I think learning a different stack and retaining both decks would be too challenging for me. Is there a system which would make learning new stacks easier? I think the method Rick Lax has used to teach me is effective and as others have suggested, I modified some of the images and associations in his system to make them more memorable and meaningful to me. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Eric.


A lot of folks have mentioned The Memory Arts by the Trustmans and I found that useful. The book itself teaches you a general concept (with some artwork) on how to build a memory palace that can be used for a variety of things beyond just deck stacks. They do specifically go through Mnemonica and Aaronson (and I think they've released ebook versions for other stacks as well). I used it to help learn Mnemonica, but honestly, after I understood the concept pretty well, I ended up dumping their own memory palace artwork and drawings and created my own based on a walk I do nearly every day -- and that helped me easily memorize two stacks and some other stuff for other effects (for example, I use it to help with Phill Smith's Stegosaurus, so I don't need to display cards with the words, but can just show a word cloud instead). So, that's what worked for me personally: the Memory Arts taught me the concept of how a good memory palace can work, and then I went and created my own that I now use. I literally marked up a deck of cards and walked the route that I use for my memory palace and looked at each card in each position (and took a photo of it there). And by the next day I had it pretty much memorized. But... also, everyone is different. So may depend on your learning style. (FWIW, I also tried to supplement using the Memory Arts with Tamariz's own suggestions for how to memorize Mnemonica, and that helped too).
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Thanks very much for the suggestions no2ss. Aaronson and Tamariz are two names that keep popping up.
All the best. Eric.
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Point here: it's *not* "Meneumonica" -- it's "Mnemonica".

Rick Lax's video is superb -- but, good god Penguin, get the name right

Even Rick calls it (repeatedly) 'Mneumonica'. Smile

A nitpick, I know -- but ...
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Is it fair to assume I can adapt this for the Aaronson stack if I want to memorize that one vs Tamariz?
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Many years ago I took the Arthur Bornstein memory course. A remarkable tool, that was invaluable in law school. At the time, using that method, I could memorize just about ANYTHING, and I'm sure that Mneumonica would not have been a problem. Now, with age, it's not as easy, but I'm finding that Rick's method is really good. I'm up to twenty cards, and counting....
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Is it fair to assume I can adapt this for the Aaronson stack if I want to memorize that one vs Tamariz?


You could reuse the number triggers, and could also reuse the value and suit ideas for any stack. You’d wind up with a completely new set of visual images because of the different stack order.
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On Mar 16, 2019, tjackson8685 wrote:
Is it fair to assume I can adapt this for the Aaronson stack if I want to memorize that one vs Tamariz?


You could reuse the number triggers, and could also reuse the value and suit ideas for any stack. You’d wind up with a completely new set of visual images because of the different stack order.


Thank you.
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I performed the mnemonica 4 times for my girlfriend and she said that repeating it successfully that many times led her to believe I had memorized the deck. While surprised and flattered that she felt I could have accomplished this memory feat, I was also disappointed that she figured it out. Can anyone suggest methods of presentation which will not make the method too obvious? Tips and suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you.
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@erichoudini:
I think it depends mostly on how the deck is handled and on the effects you perform. For example when you ask the spectator to name a card and you tell them the number where the card is it's kinda obvious. There are many/actually most tricks that totally disguise that you're using a memdeck

And doing some false shuffles and cuts and handling the deck seemingly careless in general like the order of the cards doesn't matter helps. Maybe perform effects with another deck where you actually let your girlfriend/spectator shuffle the deck and do a deck switch into a mnemonica deck.

Or do a stack related effect and a non stack related effect directly after.

There are also ways to get into mnemonica while performing.
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Thank you for the suggestions macc.
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You're welcome but I'm not an expert. Maybe other people also have some suggestions. Smile

I really really recommend Mind Mysteries vol. 2 by Richard Osterlind. Richard teaches his BCS Stack which you don't need because you already know mnemonica but the effects taught on the DVD are easy and simply awesome and none of the effects screams memdeck/stack
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I performed the mnemonica 4 times

What does exactly this mean? Mnemonica is a specific stack.
If it means performed effects based on the MD, which effects are you referring to?
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Erichoudini, consider buying Juan's book ('Mnemonica'). It covers both the psychology of presentation and multiple effects using the stack.
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Paperinick, I meant that in the course of an evening, I asked my girlfriend four times to choose a different card and then I revealed the number it was at in the mnemonica stack I learned from the nmenonica training download from Rick Lax. Thanks for the suggestion Rosariorose9.
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Like I said that's an obvious way to signal that you're using a memdeck.

Better would have been to let your girlfriend cut the deck and complete the cut, let her look at the top card and you glimpse the bottom card to figure out which card she cut to.

And then you wouldn't reveal the number but the card she has freely chosen.

But even that shouldn't just be done like I wrote Smile

Do yourself a favor and get Richard Osterlinds "Mind Mysteries vol. 2" and like rosariorose9 suggested "Mnemonica" by Juan Tamariz. Smile
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I like to go full on slop shuffle with a stack.
But I don’t present as someone smooth with cards so that approach works for me.
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The New PDF is up on the "Learn" section. It is a simple line item pdf with no illustrations. All the "Characters" are the same but the drawings are gone and the Video now has all the "questionable" artwork blurred out (Sponge bob, 7 dwarfs, Jack Sparrow). I wish I would have kept the original. Even with the mistakes it seemed better than this final output.
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That’s too bad. The artwork was very helpful in quickly embedding a visual image.
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