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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
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On Sep 14, 2019, magicfish wrote: Agreed. I find it silly that magicians see such obvious notions as pearls of wisdom. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
Because he is of the opinion that it can be improved. I asked how.
Simple. The suggestions don't have to be his. I thought the trick would be a good one to present opposing positions. No big deal. |
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
Great! Just as long as we're clear that a failure to answer that question isn't a failure of the argument.
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
"Even though she was still fooled by the trick, that remarkÂ
ought to scare the daylights out of any thinking magician. It did me. It also made me reconsider the conventional bromide that you should strive to do magic in the spectators' hands. Tain't necessarily so..." John Bannon |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
Night fellas. Back tomorrow.
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The Burnaby Kid Inner circle St. John's, Canada 3158 Posts |
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On Sep 14, 2019, magicfish wrote: I described two approaches that would improve Ortiz's trick, and then I described a third approach which eliminated the need for a second deck altogether, where the magician simply puts his card face down first before the spectator names whatever card they like, and they match. Tamariz has done the third. I think I can see what the issue here is... when people offer you possible features to add to a trick, your mind jumps to the methodological compromises that would have to be made to actually pull the trick off, and that causes you to dismiss the features as improvements. Am I correct there?
JACK, the Jolly Almanac of Card Knavery, a free card magic resource for beginners.
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
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On Sep 14, 2019, magicfish wrote: You're leaving out the context. He's referring to performing Daley's Last Trick in a spectator's hands. A rather obvious case of the Too Perfect Theory. You also left out the part where Bannon basically says, "Nevertheless, I still perform it that way..." |
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The Burnaby Kid Inner circle St. John's, Canada 3158 Posts |
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On Sep 14, 2019, Rupert Pupkin wrote: Ah well, there you go. Daley's Last Trick, while pretty good, is definitely a candidate for further improvement. Thank goodness for Fechter.
JACK, the Jolly Almanac of Card Knavery, a free card magic resource for beginners.
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
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On Sep 14, 2019, The Burnaby Kid wrote: Fechter? I hardly knew her. |
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
And yes, I agree. Fechter fixed that basic dynamic.
We have fun here, folks. |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On Sep 13, 2019, magicfish wrote: @magicfish, Great that you got to enjoy some time with Eugene Burger. And also great that you were affected by that item. Did Eugene Burger share his thoughts about developing that item. If it's in print let's call it by name, okay? (citation please - that way I can get his perspective before making comment about his item) There's a feedback loop of design, rehearse, perform, get feedback and repeat in the improvement process. I don't know where you are in that process with that item since you gave it as an example. Do your performances of that item get the same response as Eugene's performance did? Go with phenomena, noumena, or Mah NÃ Mah NÃ ?
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
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On Sep 14, 2019, The Burnaby Kid wrote: Good morning. That sounds more like Bannons AK-47 than Ortiz' Do as I Did. No? |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
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On Sep 15, 2019, Jonathan Townsend wrote: I don't perform it. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
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On Sep 14, 2019, The Burnaby Kid wrote: Fechter? What about him? |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
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On Sep 14, 2019, Rupert Pupkin wrote: "He's referring to performing Daley's Last Trick in a spectator's hands." - precisely. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
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On Sep 14, 2019, Rupert Pupkin wrote: So you agree with me that not every trick is better in the spectators hands. I'm pleasantly surprised. Just gonna prep dinner guys. Standby. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
Ok the roast is in. Prime Rib Sunday baby!
I feel that in art there are some things that cannot be improved. This is purely subjective of course. The Mona Lisa St. Paul's Cathedral The Taj Mahal People seem ok with this. It doesn't anger them. In music, Imagine- Lennon Yesterday- McCartney Spring- Vivaldi. People seem ok with this. I wouldn't dream of tinkering with them or trying to improve them . In magic, Lance Burton's FISM routine Slydini's coins thru table Neilsons Floating Violin Now it gets shaky, but generally, most agree. But dare say that a piece of card magic can attain this same status and all of a sudden it's: Just cause you cant do it doesn't mean it cant be. He stopped thinking too soon, and We have to improve everything etc. Funny how in an art we revere and devote our lives to we cant find one item that should just be left alone and adored for what it is. Commence lambasting. |
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Ray J Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1503 Posts |
Lambasting? I thought it was prime rib? Personally I like an end cut so I cag get the salty taste, but the tradeoff is the meat is generally a warmer temperature than I like. But life is full of concessions.
It's never crowded on the extra mile....
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
If you're performing a work as taught to you and you feel it's fine as is - then great for you. All the better to have some initial exposure to the item as ideal goal for your performances. Your feelings about a work don't require validation from others. Others may respect your choices as regards a work though their own sensibilities direct them toward their own objectives as regards the work.
Is Eugene Burger's dealing cards onto a tray and revelation in print? I'm holding out comment on that item till I know its status. (citation?) If you like Norm Neilson's violin routine go tell him. That's part of the feedback process for living artists. If they have published you have some options about using aspects of the routine as they suit your purposes. Leonardo was a fine painter and the Mona Lisa is a fine example of a portrait. Do other painters use that shading technique to enhance faces in their portraits?
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
I don't quite understand what you're saying Jon.
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